And now Carers are under attack

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Osem

The DWP bill is the UK's biggest so it's bound to be the focus of attention isn't it? Wherever cuts fall one group or other will say they're being attacked. Remember the Granny Tax? Is the only answer no cuts, no matter what? So HMG carries on spending more on the NHS and more on welfare etc., where do the long term savings come from? Would everyone be happy to pay more tax or are we going to ask the better off and companies to pay more tax when there's evidence that increasing higher rate taxes tends to lead to lower overall revenues in one way or another by hitting investment and encouraging avoidance.

Scrapping foreign aid would be very popular amongst voters so if HMG just wanted to be cynical and buy some much needed votes at home why don't they do that?

It'd be great if there were easy and pain free answers to all our woes but I seem to recall that being pretty much what the last lot said and where did that lead us?

Maybe the biggest bt they are focusing on the least guilty off it.

ATos, g4s and other corporate parasite scrounging taking more out than the unemployed and disabled.

We should raise minimum wage to ease the tax credit burden. Only help those businesses like small companies who clearly would struggle to pay higher minimum wage.

Cap the rental market to stop landards thieving there cake.

More we can do than hurt those at the bottom feeding chain.

[Anonymouse]

Originally Posted by Gary L

I expect the whole country will be going to this protest at Daves house soon.

How close is No. 10 to Westminister? You're not allowed to protest within a mile of it. So how are they going to do that? Oh, they should, but they're not going to be allowed to...in this "democratic" society.

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[Arthurgray50@blu]

What l find distasteful is that there are members on this forum that stick up for Cameron and his puppets.

Cameron stated on QT that he hopes that ' voters will go for more Insurance companies for medical aid' this is quite clear when an MP from the Lib Dems wanted the PMs help in regards to a voter, who has been told he cannot have a drug due to cost and to see a cardio dr due to cost.

What we have in this country is where we have a great deal of good people of carers, such as my wife who depend on benefits to survive, £58 might not be much but it is essential.

Maybe the Coalition can put a block on all these people that use the NHS as its own private Dr.

In our local paper it was stated that our local Hospital has to scrap any bills grown up by the 'users' as it will cost to much money to get it back.

Another question Cameron kept on ignoring is the fact that people earning £100.000 per year gets tax breaks, instead of hitting the poor.

Cameron would not answer this question. they will ONLY hit the poor and vulnerable as they cannot answer back. As said before Cameron won't hit the rich as he knows they will not donate to the Party - which is dispicable.

[Anonymouse]

Well, they can answer back...but not until 2015 (admittedly far too late), when we can vote these dangerous loonies out of power. Of course, the question then becomes 'what dangerous loonies will we get instead?'

On the other hand, they definitely won't be the ConDems - I've always thought that's a rather good name for them...appropriate, considering what they're doing to the country.

I am not a Tory. I am not an anything, in fact. I despise politicians, and agree with Douglas Adams that anyone who wants political power should on no account be given it.

[v0id]

Originally Posted by Osem

The DWP bill is the UK's biggest so it's bound to be the focus of attention isn't it? Wherever cuts fall one group or other will say they're being attacked. Remember the Granny Tax? Is the only answer no cuts, no matter what? So HMG carries on spending more on the NHS and more on welfare etc., where do the long term savings come from? Would everyone be happy to pay more tax or are we going to ask the better off and companies to pay more tax when there's evidence that increasing higher rate taxes tends to lead to lower overall revenues in one way or another by hitting investment and encouraging avoidance.

Are you sure about that?
What about the HMRC bill for uncollected and avoided tax?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-tax-avoidance

..but then, a tory government will always try and turn a blind eye to THAT!

Originally Posted by v0id

Are you sure about that?
What about the HMRC bill for uncollected and avoided tax?


..but then, a tory government will always try and turn a blind eye to THAT!

Tax avoidance will not generate a bill as there is nothing to collect and never will be ,as for uncollected tax ,yes more could be done and is being done but the amount will be small compared to other depts because of course when someone does not pay the bill it is tax evasion which is a criminal offence

[Arthurgray50@blu]

IF the Tories collected all the unpaid tx from his rich colleagues, that gets protected by Cameron and Co, we would not need to worry about cuts.

So far we have not heard anything about replayment of tax from companies that run all the coffee shops, Cameron, as l have said beforew will continue to hit the vulnerable and the poor as they wont answer back.

I still say that no matter what government we get in it will be hard, but not for the rich.

We already know that rich stars will pay for rich accountants to find the loopholes in the tax laws, to prevent them paying the full amount.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by v0id

Are you sure about that?
What about the HMRC bill for uncollected and avoided tax?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-tax-avoidance

..but then, a tory government will always try and turn a blind eye to THAT!

Oooopppssss - forgot to post my link for the above statement. Comes from the Guardian too.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...lfare-spending

What's the bill for avoided tax (legal)? Most of us avoid tax legally in one way or another don't we and if you want to reduce avoidance we'll all pay more tax. Evasion's (illegal) another matter of course but in addition to the rich and their dodgy offshore schemes, plenty of ordinary people don't declare all their cash income or help others to evade VAT by paying in cash for a discount. If it's evasion and avoidance you want HMG to crack down on then there'll be an awful lot of ordinary people who'll find themselves paying out more and I have a sneaky feeling the rich will take their money and taxes elsewhere. That may not be moral or fair but it's the reality and I don't see any way we can change it any time soon.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Osem

Oooopppssss - forgot to post my link for the above statement. Comes from the Guardian too.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...lfare-spending

In fairness, according to that link, nearly half the money (£74bn) is state pensions, which while technically a benefit, is not something that should be included in the payments to 'bone-idle workshy scrounging layabouts', and other targets for cuts.

Interesting read for some of you http://helpmeinvestigate.com/welfare...ding-breakdown So the sick\disabled and unemployed are two of the lowest cost groups and yet seem to merit more severe treatment. Wouldn't be because they are the two groups least able to actually do anything about it would it, sorry i mean accusing our government of hitting those unable to hit back how could i. Oh and another one for those convinced benefit fraud is the culprit for our woes here http://citywire.co.uk/money/tax-evas...-fraud/a378274.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by danielf

In fairness, according to that link, nearly half the money (£74bn) is state pensions, which while technically a benefit, is not something that should be included in the payments to 'bone-idle workshy scrounging layabouts', and other targets for cuts.

Well yes that's obvious from the information I linked to. In fairness I wasn't making any point about the proportions within the overall budget just making the point that the DWP is the largest department by spending and is therefore likely to come under scrutiny. The pensioners you mentioned already have (granny tax) so is it unthinkable that the remaining areas within the whole dept. would?

We're all paying in one way or another for what's been allowed to happen. Whether what we're paying is 'enough' or 'fair' clearly depends on which group we fall into - nobody wants their lifestyle to be hit do they.

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Interesting read for some of you http://helpmeinvestigate.com/welfare...ding-breakdown So the sick\disabled and unemployed are two of the lowest cost groups and yet seem to merit more severe treatment. Wouldn't be because they are the two groups least able to actually do anything about it would it, sorry i mean accusing our government of hitting those unable to hit back how could i. Oh and another one for those convinced benefit fraud is the culprit for our woes here http://citywire.co.uk/money/tax-evas...-fraud/a378274.

It's not new is it. VAT hits the poor and vulnerable disproportionatey why no outcry about that?

Who is it that thinks benefit fraud is responsible for all our woes? Is HMG only cutting benefits? Tell that to our armed forces.

By all means be upset by what you feel is the unfair targeting of certain groups but lets not claim nobody else is suffering.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Osem

It's not new is it. VAT hits the poor and vulnerable disproportionatley why no outcry about that?

Because it would mean that everything that is subject to VAT would have to be VAT free for the poor and vulnerable.

and it's the same for everyone anyway. even the rich have to pay it.

I've never claimed nobody else is not suffering Osem in fact more then once on this forum I have said that the main people suffering under this government are low middle class and below. But benefit is being hit very hard and there is a stigma growing larger where benefit claimants are concerned.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

I've never claimed nobody else is not suffering Osem in fact more then once on this forum I have said that the main people suffering under this government are low middle class and below. But benefit is being hit very hard and there is a stigma growing larger where benefit claimants are concerned.

I did use the word 'imply'.

No offence taken or meant it's just with all the changes me and my wife are going to be a lot worse off and will struggle too pay basic things so i am perhaps taking this to personally but that's because it is personal to me and to many others who do fall into the "no fault of our own" group. This government constantly cover's itself with the old "those who deserve it will not be hit" and then behind the scene's are doing some pretty unpleasant things such as the change in exchange rules on house swaps and suchlike that most of the public don't know about.

With everything that is coming i do expect quite a few suicides amongst some people because for genuine claimants life is already hard and these changes put altogether are going to mean real hardship.