General : Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 1.

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by robson689

If Sky Atlantic was an optional extra no one could complain.

You obviously haven't spent enough time on this forum

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

So you believe that you would be betraying a confidence if you divulged whether you had ever watch Al Jazeera?

I don't know what you're on, but can I have some of it please?

This is not a vendetta, Richard. I was simply testing the legitimacy of your comment on bias. Consider it tested.

A) Nope, I just choose not to indulge you.

B) Nobody else seems to care one way or the other about your ongoing obsession. To test this for yourself, I am happy for you to create a poll to ask other members if they have any interest, however slight, in my viewing habits.

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by denphone

Indeed a lot of what you say is true to a certain extent except that Virgin's broadband will always be comfortably ahead of Sky's no matter what thus also in the TiVo box Virgin has a huge advantage over Sky in regards to having a far superior STB and that is unlikely to change for the forseeable future.

But as always this is subjective each individual has different requirements , for instance I basically want a box what's quick through the menus and records what I ask of it so Sky+HD ticks all those boxes. The STB argument for many is pretty irrelevant as both are exclusive to their respective platform , being a multiroom customer I find VM's MRS offering lacking I'm hoping Sky offer a far more comprehensive channel list on their product.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

A) Nope, I just choose not to indulge you.

B) Nobody else seems to care one way or the other about your ongoing obsession. To test this for yourself, I am happy for you to create a poll to ask other members if they have any interest, however slight, in my viewing habits.

I think we were more interested if you would answer his question (which you didn't...).

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by denphone

Indeed a lot of what you say is true to a certain extent except that Virgin's broadband will always be comfortably ahead of Sky's no matter what thus also in the TiVo box Virgin has a huge advantage over Sky in regards to having a far superior STB and that is unlikely to change for the forseeable future.

Having had broadband from both companies I can confidently say that Virgins broadband is terrible compared to Sky's broadband, so that comment of yours is incorrect. The think broadband graphs in this very forum will backup my own experiences with statistical recorded data.

The Tivo vs Sky Stb box has been debated many times and there seems to be no clear winner. The Tivo has 3 tuners compared to Skys 2 tuners and the Sky box is more responsive/more polished.

So both of your comments regarding Virgin being ahead are very wrong. Sky is miles ahead on broadband and the Stb's are pretty equal on comparison although one can be seen better than the other based on your own uses or views.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Qtx

Having had broadband from both companies I can confidently say that Virgins broadband is terrible compared to Sky's broadband, so that comment of yours is incorrect. The think broadband graphs in this very forum will backup my own experiences with statistical recorded data.

The Tivo vs Sky Stb box has been debated many times and there seems to be no clear winner. The Tivo has 3 tuners compared to Skys 2 tuners and the Sky box is more responsive/more polished.

So both of your comments regarding Virgin being ahead are very wrong. Sky is miles ahead on broadband and the Stb's are pretty equal on comparison although one can be seen better than the other based on your own uses or views.

Oh dear it seems you have borrowed that pair of rose tinted glasses yet again because as l have stated in the past l try to give a balanced view on all things and while Sky have more channels and one or two other useful things in its armoury l think when it comes to broadband Virgin's is quite clearly light years ahead and thats not just me saying that as many others on this forum have already stated their preference for Virgin's fibre optic broadband thus also when it come to STB's whilst Sky's STB does its job only a blind man would come to the belief that it is a match for the TiVo as quite clearly in many peoples minds the TiVo is head and shoulders above Sky's trusty old dinosaur.

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by denphone

Oh dear it seems you have borrowed that pair of rose tinted glasses.

Oh come on, that is the pot calling the kettle black

Like I say, I have been a customer of both companies so have first hand experience. When was the last time you was a sky customer if at all?

Expect to be pulled up on it when nonsense is sprouted

Now back to hugging my 2TB dinosaur which I got to record a programme via my phone while I was out earlier...

Originally Posted by Qtx

Oh come on, that is the pot calling the kettle black

Like I say, I have been a customer of both companies so have first hand experience. When was the last time you was a sky customer if at all?

Expect to be pulled up on it when nonsense is sprouted

Now back to hugging my 2TB dinosaur which I got to record a programme via my phone while I was out earlier...

What is the price on Sky's 100Mbits broadband tariff, I think I will have some of that

[speedski]

Originally Posted by Qtx

Having had broadband from both companies I can confidently say that Virgins broadband is terrible compared to Sky's broadband, so that comment of yours is incorrect. The think broadband graphs in this very forum will backup my own experiences with statistical recorded data.

The Tivo vs Sky Stb box has been debated many times and there seems to be no clear winner. The Tivo has 3 tuners compared to Skys 2 tuners and the Sky box is more responsive/more polished.

So both of your comments regarding Virgin being ahead are very wrong. Sky is miles ahead on broadband and the Stb's are pretty equal on comparison although one can be seen better than the other based on your own uses or views.

What you experience isn't the same for all.

My example: VM where I live 100mb. Sky Where I Live 2.5mb.

Sky are not miles ahead on Broadband.

I have and am still a customer of both.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Qtx

Like I say, I have been a customer of both companies so have first hand experience. When was the last time you was a sky customer if at all?

Expect to be pulled up on it when nonsense is sprouted

Now back to hugging my 2TB dinosaur...

Actually l have had experience of Sky's broadband and STB and to say l was unimpressed would be calling it a understatement as their broadband speeds were as bad as the old dial up and their STB was dinstinctly old hat compared to the new kid on the block as recent sales have shown increasingly.

As for nonsense well l will leave that to others to make up their own mind but rest assured they are a intelligent lot who don't follow the sheep following sheep mentality.

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by mhatter67

What is the price on Sky's 100Mbits broadband tariff, I think I will have some of that

What leads you to think that top speed is in indication of how good an ISP's broadband is?

Rhetorical questions ftw!

You cannot call an ISP's broadband ahead of the competition if it is no good for gaming, streaming video, VOIP calls etc. Speed is such a small part of the equation.

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Originally Posted by speedski

What you experience isn't the same for all.

My example: VM where I live 100mb. Sky Where I Live 2.5mb.

Sky are not miles ahead on Broadband.

I have and am still a customer of both.

Virgin would give the same speed as Sky in an adsl only area. As I said its not all about speed. Who really needs above 40Mbit?

Sky fibre has no traffic shaping or slowing down of your connection when you hit limits at different parts of the day yet still does not have congestion problems like Virgin do with all of that. Comparing the networks is like apples and oranges so anyone saying Virgin is better is talking nonsense.

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Originally Posted by denphone

Actually l have had experience of Sky's broadband and STB and to say l was unimpressed would be calling it a understatement as their broadband speeds were as bad as the old dial up and their STB was dinstinctly old hat compared to the new kid on the block as recent sales have shown increasingly.

So you have never been a customer of Sky and once saw it down a friends house? Very sneaky answer but confirms what I thought, you have no clue how they compare really but still insist on saying one is better due to...those rose coloured specs

Again, have you been a customer of SKy recently? Have you owned and used for any amount of time their STB box such as the 2TB one I use? Have you used SKy fibre broadband ever?

I think the answer is No to all of those, so strop pretending eh?

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Qtx

So you have never been a customer of Sky and once saw it down a friends house? Very sneaky answer but confirms what I thought, you have no clue how they compare really but still insist on saying one is better due to...those rose coloured specs

Again, have you been a customer of SKy recently? Have you owned and used for any amount of time their STB box such as the 2TB one I use? Have you used SKy fibre broadband ever?

I think the answer is No to all of those, so strop pretending eh?

Actually l use it quite a lot when l go down my familys house so l have more then enough experience of what it is exactly like and yes l am very happy with my opticians as they provide me with clear and clean glasses which l can see perfectly out of even when l am surrounded by those pesky rose tinted lot who aim to serve only their master.

[tricol]

I've used both and Sky is much better than Tivo for BBC iPlayer as it first downloads the programme instead of streaming it so making it much better at FF and REW etc. The old V+ boxes are also better in that respect.
Sky has a much slicker and easier to navigate 'planner' (My Shows) interface with category groups such as News, Sports, Kids, Documentaries,A-Z being automatically assigned to recordings rather than lumping them all together as TiVo does.
They both have pros and cons, TiVo's main advantage being the 3 tuners if just used as a PVR but the convuluted menus and clumsy interfaces let it down along with it's BBC catch-up implementation.

[harry_hitch]

I guess it depends on the areas people live in. Where I currently live, I have never known a better broadand connection/service. Hardly any buffering and constantly fast speeds. Tv service is excellent and I rarely have any issues. Even IPlayer is working better now, since the last app update. 10 miles away in the village I used to live in, though, Sky/BT were shocking. Awful internet speeds, plenty of buffering and the Sky TV signal was pretty poor when it rained and/or got very windy. (May have been the dish, but when we phoned about it, was told the dish was good, apparently.) My parents though - live 10 miles in another direction (from my current location) and they hardly have any issues with Sky TV, but will not go to Sky/BT for their internet and use VM. I doubt I would rejoin Sky, given the option, but that is mainly because I am a huge fan of TIVO (even though it is noticeably slower than my parents Sky HD box) due to wishlists, the 8 second skip back feature - something I wish me blu-ray player had - and to a lesser degree, the suggestions feature. Also because I am not too fussed about Sky Atlantic.

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Originally Posted by Qtx

Sky fibre has no traffic shaping or slowing down of your connection when you hit limits at different parts of the day yet still does not have congestion problems like Virgin do with all of that. Comparing the networks is like apples and oranges so anyone saying Virgin is better is talking nonsense.

BIBAnd yet, you have done just that in a previous post.

As stated above I have used both, and will resist the urge to say that you are talking non-sense.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Qtx

What leads you to think that top speed is in indication of how good an ISP's broadband is?

Rhetorical questions ftw!

You cannot call an ISP's broadband ahead of the competition if it is no good for gaming, streaming video, VOIP calls etc. Speed is such a small part of the equation.

In the last couple of weeks, when the US shows have been on winter break, I've hardly watched anything off Tivo; almost all my viewing has been from Netflix. So I've been streaming massive amounts of video content recently and my 20meg VM connection has been faultless.