Superhub : Superhub 2

[thenry]

Originally Posted by Hugh

So you have senior management experience in running business and product development, Corporate PR and Marketing functions, including running multi-million cross-media programmes?

No, not any experience.

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by Kushan

Why is that backwards? (Not a wireless expert, actually asking).

The main benefits of an additional antenna/MIMO stream/transceiver chain/whatever you want to call it are increased spectral efficiency (more speed at a given amount of bandwidth), improved beamforming (more signal strength and immunity to interference) and diversity (more robust signal and immunity to interference).

The 2.4Ghz band is bandwidth limited and prone to interference, so that is exactly where you would benefit most from having an additional antenna. The 5Ghz band already provides double the bandwidth with in most cases, pretty much no interference, and theoretically ten times more allowed transmit power, meaning that's where you get the least benefit from having a third antenna.

Also, in practice, 5Ghz performance is often limited by the speed of the router's CPU rather than wireless, especially at above 300Mbps (2 streams) so going to 450 (3 streams) often makes little difference. At 2.4Ghz performance is typically bandwidth and interference limited, so the 50% better efficiency is more likely to map to 50% more actual performance.

[Mr K]

Good see all you fanboys wetting your pants over a new Superdud. Question is course , does it work ? Until you've and many other poor VM 'customers/guinea pigs' have road tested it for me, I stick to my nice reliable ntl250 modem.

Keep me updated and cheers for the testing

[jb66]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Good see all you fanboys wetting your pants over a new Superdud. Question is course , does it work ? Until you've and many other poor VM 'customers/guinea pigs' have road tested it for me, I stick to my nice reliable ntl250 modem.

Keep me updated and cheers for the testing

Modem mode works, why dont you join 2013 and get some docsis3 kit!

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Good see all you fanboys wetting your pants over a new Superdud. Question is course , does it work ? Until you've and many other poor VM 'customers/guinea pigs' have road tested it for me, I stick to my nice reliable ntl250 modem.

Keep me updated and cheers for the testing

Wow watch that big fat chip on your shoulder there .

[Kushan]

I seen this...

Originally Posted by Mr K

Good see all you fanboys wetting your pants over a new Superdud. Question is course , does it work ? Until you've and many other poor VM 'customers/guinea pigs' have road tested it for me, I stick to my nice reliable ntl250 modem.

Keep me updated and cheers for the testing

But I read it as this...

Originally Posted by Mr K

Good see all you other Virgin media customers excited at the prospect of new hardware that's likely to be better than old hardware. Question is [of] course , has it been tested? Oh wait, that's exactly what's being done right now so I'll let everyone get on with it and in the meantime, I['ll] stick to my outdated ntl250 modem.

Despite my above little rant, I'm actually keenly interested in this new technology because deep down inside I know I need to upgrade at some point to get the best from the service

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by jb66

Modem mode works, why dont you join 2013 and get some docsis3 kit!

Think I'll stick with Docsis1 - never been more reliable, presumably because VM pushing current and new customers onto an an increasingly overcrowded Docsis3.

So this modem mode, presumably 'Superdude2' won't need it, if it works. If it has got got it, that's an admission of a crappy device to start off with.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Kushan

I seen this...




But I read it as this...

Excellent

[thenry]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Think I'll stick with Docsis1 - never been more reliable, presumably because VM pushing current and new customers onto an an increasingly overcrowded Docsis3.

docsis1 isnt something you want to be on. docsis 1.1 at the very least!

Originally Posted by Mr K

So this modem mode, presumably 'Superdude2' won't need it, if it works. If it has got got it, that's an admission of a crappy device to start off with.

actually no. for the average customer the combo kit would be good enough. for others it wont be for various reasons. having modem mode is a must regardless of crap or decent hardware.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Kushan

Despite my above little rant, I'm actually keenly interested in this new technology because deep down inside I know I need to upgrade at some point to get the best from the service

Oh yes - if there is better service of course I'll upgrade (if it's free of course...)

However 20MB is more than enough for me and I suspect 95% of punters. If I'm getting a reliable service now no need to change to a Superdud which has faults. 10 MB more will make zilch difference in day to day use, all for a less reliable service on which I have to mess about with Modem mode as the equipment is pants.

Pity VM didn't do some testing on version 1 - oh, wait they have by using their customers..... I won't trust whatever VM say about it, but I do trust customers who kindly test it and pay for the privilege.

Maybe this Superdud2 is the real deal, but I'll wait and see (or until my ntl250 calls it a day )

[Kushan]

Originally Posted by Mr K

So this modem mode, presumably 'Superdude2' won't need it, if it works. If it has got got it, that's an admission of a crappy device to start off with.

It's not an admission of anything. The superhub2 (Superduperhub?) could have first class wireless and people would still want a Modem-only mode because many of us prefer to run our own routers, due to more extensive firmware options or additional features. Hell, some people might just want to run their own DHCP server - it's called choice.

Originally Posted by Mr K

Oh yes - if there is better service of course I'll upgrade (if it's free of course...)

However 20MB is more than enough for me and I suspect 95% of punters. If I'm getting a reliable service now no need to change to a Superdud which has faults. 10 MB more will make zilch difference in day to day use, all for a less reliable service on which I have to mess about with Modem mode as the equipment is pants.

Pity VM didn't do some testing on version 1 - oh, wait they have by using their customers..... I won't trust whatever VM say about it, but I do trust customers who kindly test it and pay for the privilege.

Maybe this Superdud2 is the real deal, but I'll wait and see (or until my ntl250 calls it a day )

You keep calling it the "Superdud", but you keep overlooking the fact that it's actually fine as a Modem - its the wireless side and other router functions that it has issues with. The superhub, as a modem, is absolutely fine. That also means it's just as effective as your Ambit 250 modem, except that it can do DOCSIS3 which means better load balancing. Every single time you say you're sticking with your Ambit 250, you're showng that you don't actually pay attention to what those issues are. A superhub + whatever router you're using now would be just as effective and stable.
However, that being said - it also means you don't need a Superhub, you're happy with your 20mbit and that's great, we're all really happy for you but it also means your opinion on the only equipment that can go higher than 20 (Ambit 300 aside) is pretty much void.

[Duke`]

Originally Posted by Kushan

You keep calling it the "Superdud", but you keep overlooking the fact that it's actually fine as a Modem - its the wireless side and other router functions that it has issues with. The superhub, as a modem, is absolutely fine. That also means it's just as effective as your Ambit 250 modem, except that it can do DOCSIS3 which means better load balancing. Every single time you say you're sticking with your Ambit 250, you're showng that you don't actually pay attention to what those issues are. A superhub + whatever router you're using now would be just as effective and stable.
However, that being said - it also means you don't need a Superhub, you're happy with your 20mbit and that's great, we're all really happy for you but it also means your opinion on the only equipment that can go higher than 20 (Ambit 300 aside) is pretty much void.

Well said.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Kushan

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You keep calling it the "Superdud", but you keep overlooking the fact that it's actually fine as a Modem - its the wireless side and other router functions that it has issues with. ....

Without detracting from the technical truth of what you say, from the consumers' point of view the wretched thing is considered in the context of what VM claim for it:

Virgin Media Super Hub
Using the latest wireless ‘N’ technology, our Virgin Media Super Hub gives you a fantastic range and fewer blackspots. Top that off with the most advanced and secure wireless encryption technology we could lay our hands on and you stay secure and connected, wherever you are.

Against that, the suffering consumer will call it a "Dud". And with good cause.

Modem mode was added at R30 to alleviate that dudness and it comes at a high cost for the user who has to shell out £60 or more for a router to do what VM claims for the SH.

So a sympathetic degree of understanding is necessary towards customers who chose to call the thing a "dud".

[Kushan]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Without detracting from the technical truth of what you say, from the consumers' point of view the wretched thing is considered in the context of what VM claim for it:

Virgin Media Super Hub
Using the latest wireless ‘N’ technology, our Virgin Media Super Hub gives you a fantastic range and fewer blackspots. Top that off with the most advanced and secure wireless encryption technology we could lay our hands on and you stay secure and connected, wherever you are.

Against that, the suffering consumer will call it a "Dud". And with good cause.

Modem mode was added at R30 to alleviate that dudness and it comes at a high cost for the user who has to shell out £60 or more for a router to do what VM claims for the SH.

So a sympathetic degree of understanding is necessary towards customers who chose to call the thing a "dud".

This is very true and you make an excellent point. I would still say that anyone comparing it to JUST a modem though is missing the point a bit but you're right that it shouldn't be that way.

[babis3g]

I think the topic is about the New SH 2... and is not out yet to criticise but we can comment what may be about it

I don't think is fair to talk or involve about the old ones or the current ... in this thread

Maybe nobody wished good luck this time to VM

I have one more question if is ok to the trialist 's

Was reading old gossips ... home visits (not personal but fixing power levels to customers etc) from engineers, was mentioned the New SH 2 will have external antenna ... is true???
Of course if is ok to tell
Thanks