Government deal with overcrowding in prisons. By closing prisons.

[Mick Fisher]

Originally Posted by Derek

How about here?

Maybe not tropical but we could give them a coat to share.

Gets my vote

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Derek

How about here?

Maybe not tropical but we could give them a coat to share.

Or a couple lof mountain sheep to sheer.

Anyway I thought that's what Australia is for...

[Gary L]

Got no money.
got money to build a new big prison.
(save 63 million pound a year) peanuts.

got more money to extend existing prisons to house an extra 1,260 prisoners.

are we expecting a mass law breaking spree or something?

[Mick Fisher]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Got no money.
got money to build a new big prison.
(save 63 million pound a year) peanuts.

got more money to extend existing prisons to house an extra 1,260 prisoners.

are we expecting a mass law breaking spree or something?

Probably

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Mick Fisher

Probably

Hugh will tell you I'm right again.
I said this would happen

they're on the news talking about it as if it's a matter of urgency. and they say they'll be saving 63 million pounds a year (nobody has asked them how much it's going to cost to build and when will we see a return on our investment)

then they go and tell us that they're making more room as well as the new super prison to tell the courts that there's plenty of room so keep sending them.
(Super prison. in Britain. you never thought you'd hear them 2 words together did you)

it's all scary how nobody can see what's going on. only me

[Mick Fisher]

You remember that other scam called "care in the community" that's led to God knows how many innocent bystanders being stabbed and assaulted over the years, well if they can keep saving money by closing prisons we might have "incarcerated in the community" along with the associated rise in muggings and burglaries for all those unlucky enough not to live in Secure Mansions or gated communities.

[Pierre]

If there's one think that needs investment and modernising in this country it's our prisons.

All the old Victorian installations, which is most of them, need bulldozing.

I'd of thought that a new modern facility would be welcomed.

Originally Posted by Pierre

If there's one think that needs investment and modernising in this country it's our prisons.

All the old Victorian installations, which is most of them, need bulldozing.

I'd of thought that a new modern facility would be welcomed.

I agree ,it's a government project that will employ a good few people and doesn't cost an arm and a leg

[Cobbydaler]

This is becoming a Daily Fail type thread. Surely it makes sense to decommission older prisons & replace them with newer ones which have better conditions for inmates & better training facilities to help prevent them from re-offending? Admittedly some inmates would be farther from their families, but it's a balance?

[Gary L]

My God. we're worrying about prisoners living in old buildings and their living conditions.

I'd be ok about giving them a brand new building to cheer them up a bit. as long as they triple their pocket money and allow them a new iphone and £20 worth of free credit every week.
(it has to roll over as well so they don't feel cheated)

[Cobbydaler]

Originally Posted by Gary L

My God. we're worrying about prisoners living in old buildings and their living conditions.

I'd be ok about giving them a brand new building to cheer them up a bit. as long as they triple their pocket money and allow them a new iphone and £20 worth of free credit every week.
(it has to roll over as well so they don't feel cheated)

It's also about the cost of maintaining these older prisons...

[Gary L]

£63 million pounds a year. which is absolutely nothing in savings compared to what other savings they're making elsewhere.

they just need more prison space to cope for what's coming. that's all.

Originally Posted by Gary L

My God. we're worrying about prisoners living in old buildings and their living conditions.

I'd be ok about giving them a brand new building to cheer them up a bit. as long as they triple their pocket money and allow them a new iphone and £20 worth of free credit every week.
(it has to roll over as well so they don't feel cheated)

Prisoners cost us enough as it is why should we compound that by constantly forking out good money on ramshackle old buildings and pointless maintenance.
My only problem with this is that it is a government project ,it will be overcosted ,it will overrun on time and cost twice as much as originally quoted apart from that i'm good with it

[Osem]

Originally Posted by martyh

Prisoners cost us enough as it is why should we compound that by constantly forking out good money on ramshackle old buildings and pointless maintenance.
My only problem with this is that it is a government project ,it will be overcosted ,it will overrun on time and cost twice as much as originally quoted apart from that i'm good with it

...and the civil servants responsible for the inevitable failures will be severely punished by getting moved to another department...

This is why we need new prisons ,must keep the little princesses happy musn't we .

Writing about conditions in Durham prison a prisoner says

IT’S got “squalid” conditions, substandard washing facilities and the rooms are “appalling”.

It's not a bloody hotel

“by far the dirtiest prison I’ve ever been held in”, adding: “We can only shower for five days of the week, the state of the cells is appalling, with no assistance or encouragement from staff to provide cleaning equipment. I haven’t seen a single sterilising tablet since I arrived.”

then try staying out of prison

A Prison Service spokesperson said: “All prisoners are encouraged to keep the prison clean and work on repainting cells, cleaning wings and scrubbing graffiti. Cells, laundry facilities and association areas are inspected by senior management at the prison and the Independent Monitoring Board on a regular basis to ensure standards are upheld.”

Trouble is they cannot force the inmates to clean ,they are "encouraged"

Makes me want to puke