Superhub Superhub 2 - Page 2

MPH · 08-01-2013, 15:40

Would like to hope this will be rolled out sooner, but I would assume if they have loads of testing etc. to carry out it could be months before Superhub 2 become available to the masses & that's on the assumption it’s not just an option for new customers or a chargeable upgrade.

Still very positive news that VM are looking at a replacement.

Stuart · 08-01-2013, 15:44

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

For a device that is being released to the general public, public knowledge is harmful how?

Go work for Apple, then discuss the capabilities of the next generation of any of their products. See how long your contract lasts.

Put simply, public knowledge per se is not harmful. What most companies do consider harmful is letting their competitors know the capabilities of their products before they are ready for release. They don't want to give their competitors advance notice of those capabilities as that would give their competitors time to react.

You don't think Sky and BT have employees that check out public forums from time to time? I don't know about BT (although I would be surprised if they didn't do it), but I have it on good authority that Sky do.

RB2004 · 08-01-2013, 15:51

In regards to apple their staff aren't even allowed to discuss their pay.

It's why pay is never advertised on their job adverts and also won't easily find somebody online mentioning their pay either as its all in their NDA when they got the job.

Stuart · 08-01-2013, 15:53

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Originally Posted by RB2004

In regards to apple their staff aren't even allowed to discuss their pay.

It's why pay is never advertised on their job adverts and also won't easily find somebody online mentioning their pay either as its all in their NDA when they got the job.

I'll be honest, Apple are an extreme example, but most companies forbid discussion in public of the technical capabilities of future products. Even VM (from what I am told) require their testers to sign NDAs.

qasdfdsaq · 08-01-2013, 15:54

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Originally Posted by Stuart

Go work for Apple, then discuss the capabilities of the next generation of any of their products. See how long your contract lasts.

There's a difference with Apple though. Apple relies on the uniqueness of their products and competes primarily based on that exclusivity. VM has a monopoly on the supply of routers for their own service, and complete lock-in. In any case nothing VM come up with is going to be "next generation" or in any way anything but a generic commodity product that hundreds of others already have.

Simply put VM are not reliant on the exclusivity of their bundled CPE to compete for customers. Nobody switches to VM because their "Superhub (2)" has exclusive features you cannot get elsewhere.

Stephen · 08-01-2013, 15:57

Its in testing, everything I have ever tested for VM/NTL has usually come with an NDA.

That is why they want it out of the public eye until its ready to be released.

Skie · 08-01-2013, 16:54

But as we know from the last time, they 'tested it' back then, in secrecy and with a limited bunch of customers. And from what I hear, they ignored complaints about the wifi, dragged their heels on modem mode and we got the superhub we all know and love.

Sephiroth · 08-01-2013, 17:09

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5 would be a strange number to have---------- Post added at 16:40 ---------- Previous post was at 16:39 ----------

It was what I gleaned from the CGD3700 spec. Maybe I misunderstood it.

Stephen · 08-01-2013, 17:10

They did indeed test it, I was on the trial it lasted many months.

However that's not the point, NDA are put in force to keep new products in the public eye until testing is over, usually as said products aren't stable enough or companies want it to be a secret to prevent others seeing or copying designs or hardware.

Sephiroth · 08-01-2013, 18:00

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Originally Posted by Stephen

They did indeed test it, I was on the trial it lasted many months. However that's not the point, NDA are put in force to keep new products in the public eye until testing is over, usually as said products aren't stable enough or companies want it to be a secret to prevent others seeing or copying designs or hardware.

I hope that the lessons have been learned as to what has to be tested and how in relation to the subsequent weaknesses found in the current SH.

Are you still under NDA and can't divulge what was tested and what instructions you were given?

Pierre · 08-01-2013, 18:46

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

For a device that is being released to the general public, public knowledge is harmful how?

I honestly don't know any technical specs. All I can say is that I have seen, and held, the unit.

It's says Netgear on it, and it has "modem mode" written on the back.

I wont post any pictures because they will want to launch it properly and not by some dodgy photos on a forum.

I haven't divulged anything sensitive, we all knew the new hub was coming. All I've said is I've seen it.

babis3g · 08-01-2013, 18:53

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

It was what I gleaned from the CGD3700 spec. Maybe I misunderstood it.

the one you mentioned

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WiFi Features

802.1x
Disable SSID broadcast & WiFi Radio
Multiple SSIDs
Push 'N Connect WiFi Protected Setup™ with PIN or push button
WEP 64/128 bit, WMM-QoS & UAPSD
WPA, WPA-PSK, WPA2, WPA2-PSK
3 x 3 at 5GHz
2 x 2 at 2.4GHz

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And possibly cause him employment trouble as discussing the number of antennae could be considered discussing the capabilities of the device in a public forum.

In this case maybe is safest ... Mods delete thread?

Kushan · 08-01-2013, 18:59

5 Antennae isn't unusual at all for a decent router. This might actually not be terrible for wireless.

I'd still rather have my own router, though, but only because I appreciate the likes of Tomato - if they give the SH2 decent wireless capabilities then it'll be fine.

babis3g · 08-01-2013, 19:03

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..... if they give the SH2 decent wireless capabilities then it'll be fine.

My guess is not everyone will get it...maybe for now only higher 120mb users

Kushan · 08-01-2013, 19:13

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My guess is not everyone will get it...maybe for now only higher 120mb users

They'll probably do it the same way they do the Superhub now - give it out as standard to new connections (starting with just the top-tiers until they run out of stock of the older models, then everyone gets it) and if you want to upgrade, you can pay a pretty price.

When the Superhub first appeared, they stopped handing out the Ambit 300 to 50meg and higher customers, but to get rid of the old stock they started giving them to people on the lower tiers. I remember a lady calling in to activate her Ambit 300 Modem on a 10mbit connection.

As an aside, the Ambit 300 really doesn't like 10Mbit speeds.