TiVo : Multiroom streaming ... who's ready?

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by howardmicks

Sky will let vm have it but vm have stopped investing in high quality channels especially hd for freesat channels and foreign channels and of course +1 channel.

That may be your opinion but unless you can back it up with some facts that's all it will be.

[WillPS]

Originally Posted by carlwaring

And it will, eventually....

There it is again! Here's this feature you've been waiting for. Where's the bit we were really waiting for? Oh, it'll happen. Maybe.

Originally Posted by carlwaring

Which Sky won't let anyone have; not just VM.

I don't buy that, and even if that's factually true, Virgin sold Flextech to Sky in 2010 - effectively flogging off their bargaining chip. As I understand it, part of the deal was carriage of the basic channels then in existence for an extended period.

Clearly, whoever compiled the deal neglected to include basic channels which Sky might later launch, including Sky Atlantic - but never mind that, what if Sky were to launch Sky 1a, and move all their premier programming from Sky 1 over to there? Effectively this would place VM in exactly the same place they were in 6 years ago, except this time Virgin would have no channels of their own to bargain with.

In other words, it's Virgin's fault they don't have access to Sky Atlantic.

Mmmm, I wonder why BT or Smallworld don't have Atlantic then?

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by WillPS

There it is again! Here's this feature you've been waiting for. Where's the bit we were really waiting for? Oh, it'll happen. Maybe.

Life it's perfect. We don't get everything at once.

I don't buy that, and even if that's factually true

On the first bit, I don't care. On the second bit, facts are all that matters. If it were available on any other platform then there might be reason to wonder if it is, indeed, VM. But it isn't so it's not.

Originally Posted by WillPS

Clearly, whoever compiled the deal neglected to include basic channels which Sky might later launch...

"You know that exclusive channel you're going to launch in three year's time? We want that one too."

Not sure Mystic Meg is a VM employee

Originally Posted by Hugh

Mmmm, I wonder why BT or Smallworld don't have Atlantic then?

I'll bet you won't get an answer

[howardmicks]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Mmmm, I wonder why BT or Smallworld don't have Atlantic then?

By end of next year I think bt will have it and probably more channels,if reports are right they are going to do a thing called invest.something vm seemed to have give up as for small world nobody knows

Because BT haven't begun bargaining and Smallworld are in exactly the same boat as Virgin?

[howardmicks]

Originally Posted by Jameseh

Because BT haven't begun bargaining and Smallworld are in exactly the same boat as Virgin?

Good answer trouble is the boat vm is in called titanic

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by howardmicks

By end of next year I think bt will have it ...

No reason why VM might not have it by then either, of course.

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Originally Posted by Jameseh

Because BT haven't begun bargaining...?

But then WillPS said that VM should have been negotiating for this channel (that didn't actually exist of course) back in 2009. By that logic, shouldn't BT be well into all such negotiations right now?

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Originally Posted by Jameseh

...Smallworld are in exactly the same boat as Virgin?

Actually, they're not at all as they are no threat to Sky. In areas where both are available, VM's TV service gets more customers. (According to some posts on here recently; iirc.)

[WillPS]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Mmmm, I wonder why BT or Smallworld don't have Atlantic then?

The same reason VM don't. The difference is that VM should have ensured carriage in the same way they've ensured carriage of the pre-existant basics.

Originally Posted by carlwaring

On the first bit, I don't care. On the second bit, facts are all that matters. If it were available on any other platform then there might be reason to wonder if it is, indeed, VM. But it isn't so it's not

There aren't really other platforms are there - that's the issue. YouView will change that I'm sure, but in the here and now...

Originally Posted by carlwaring

"You know that exclusive channel you're going to launch in three year's time? We want that one too."

Not sure Mystic Meg is a VM employee

It's really not perverse to protect yourself against a party doing something which it is entirely in their power to do. See the "Sky 1a" hypothesis. There is nothing to stop Sky launching channels and moving content to them to deprive Virgin, if they so desire. Virgin should have ensured they had access to these channels in that eventuality.

Having engaged in contractual negotiations for the last month - you'd be very surprised at the level of future obscurity organisations require circumstances defining. VM cocked up the contract in that respect.

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by WillPS

The same reason VM don't.

That's okay then.

The difference is that VM should have ensured carriage in the same way they've ensured carriage of the pre-existant basics.

I wasn't aware that you could design a contract around channels that don't exist Care to tell me a little more about how that works?

There aren't really other platforms are there

Well there's BT and SmallWorld.

[howardmicks]

Originally Posted by carlwaring

No reason why VM might not have it by then either, of course.

Well I won't be holding by breath Carl,been a big supporter of vm over the years Carl.but this last 12 months new channels as been a insult and to put prices up as high as there have without anything to justify it is just plain suicide,tv anywhere is a joke were the ipad is concerned and as for TiVo to TiVo streaming that's just plain embarrassing.management at vm is totally clueless were tv is concerned or just plain ignorant,no doubt you will rip everything I have said to pieces.but whilst I agree with many of your comments Carl you sometimes come across as along as you got your TiVo your happy with price increases filling it with +1's and freesat and freeview channels all in sd .big year for bt 2013 and if they get it right vm slide to just becoming phone and broadband company could come a little closer

[WillPS]

Originally Posted by carlwaring

I wasn't aware that you could design a contract around channels that don't exist Care to tell me a little more about how that works?

Of course.
As I understand it, a clause, or series of clauses exists which state something to the effect of:
i.As an integral part of this agreement, BSkyB will ensure carriage of the channels set out in Appendix x for the fixed amount set out in appendix y for a period of no less than 20 years.

The following clause or similar would ensure the Sky 1a and Sky Atlantic situation would not have occurred:
ii.In addition, BSkyB will ensure that any channels not included in Appendix x which are not Premium channels (as defined in Appendix z) will be made available at the rate set out in appendix y for a period of no less than 20 years. For the avoidance of doubt, this includes all channels (other than Premium channels) wholly owned by BSkyB or their wholly owned subsidiaries.

Originally Posted by carlwaring

Well there's BT and SmallWorld.

Yes because both offer similar services to Sky and Virgin where Sky and Virgin are available.

OH WAIT.

Originally Posted by Jameseh

Because BT haven't begun bargaining and Smallworld are in exactly the same boat as Virgin?

Or perhaps the fact that Sky have it as "exclusive" may be a clue.....

Or they used the brilliant negotiation team that didn't foresee Sky Movies Classics HD.