Just had sky fibre installed

[ferretuk]

Originally Posted by AdamD

it's the only true unlimited broadband in the UK these days

A good article here as to why that may not be such a good thing...

http://community.plus.net/blog/2012/...affic-managed/

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by AdamD

Pro is an extra £10 on top, I primarily upgraded for the upload speed (I am due to start making gaming videos to upload to Youtube, thus, needed the upload speed)

Total cost from memory is £44.95 a month, with the sky phone line. (£30 for Fibre pro, £14.95 for sky talk/rental)

But, it's the only true unlimited broadband in the UK these days, so it's worth the price I think.

I believe you can also choose to pay 12 months line rental upfront if you wish , bringing your line rental down to an equivalent of £9.95 a month.

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by ferretuk

A good article here as to why that may not be such a good thing...

http://community.plus.net/blog/2012/...affic-managed/

Nothing in that article at all to suggest its not a good thing

It would be preferential that ISP's sent out their hub/routers with a QoS setting turned on as default, to manage prioritisation of a homes traffic at a local level. Isp's who want to add more customers without paying out to upgrade their infrastructure to handle them, will traffic shape/prioritise traffic and tell the customers that its for their benefit

Sky must be the only ones confident of their network and bandwidth at the moment.

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by AdamD

Because as I've found out, it doesn't matter if you can't hit the full 40, or 80mb, upgrading still grants you a higher speed.

It shouldn't work that way. Something is/was broken if that's the case.

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Originally Posted by AdamD

But, it's the only true unlimited broadband in the UK these days, so it's worth the price I think.

Uhh, my BT is true unlimited and £10 a month less

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Originally Posted by Qtx

Nothing in that article at all to suggest its not a good thing

It would be preferential that ISP's sent out their hub/routers with a QoS setting turned on as default, to manage prioritisation of a homes traffic at a local level. Isp's who want to add more customers without paying out to upgrade their infrastructure to handle them, will traffic shape/prioritise traffic and tell the customers that its for their benefit

Sky must be the only ones confident of their network and bandwidth at the moment.

The problem is downstream prioritization must be done at the ISP end to be effective. Your router can only prioritize upstream properly, although for most people that's enough because upstream tends to be slower and cause more latency when it fills up.

It's better to have it done at the ISP end and by default for your average layman who would know nothing about "QoS" or "protocols". In which case it simply provides a better "out of the box experience", which is what the vast majority of people would stick with anyway.

[AdamD]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Uhh, my BT is true unlimited and £10 a month less

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So BT doesn't throttle in anyway, or have a fair usage policy?

[Chrysalis]

it doesnt have FUP but does throttle P2P quite brutally (at least on my line). I guess what Qas means since he doesnt use p2p for him tis effectively true unimlimited. Also his area is much more leniant on p2p than mine.

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by AdamD

So BT doesn't throttle in anyway, or have a fair usage policy?

Throttle != usage limit.
Fair usage policy != usage limit.

No usage limit = unlimited. Perhaps you should try a dictionary.

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Throttle != usage limit.
Fair usage policy != usage limit.

No usage limit = unlimited. Perhaps you should try a dictionary.

You have to remember that Virgin have b*****ised the word unlimited for so long that the word is no longer taken at face value when it comes to describing broadband. Slightly different to CocaColas red Santa outfit campaign but.....

Or maybe the confusion is because both the following BT products claim to be unlimited yet have traffic shaping on P2P according to BT's own web page:

BT Total Broadband Option 3
BT Infinity Option 2



Those typical peak hours listed is for 8 hours of the day, a third of it. Or at weekends... 15 out of 24 hours, two thirds of the day.

[qasdfdsaq]

But that's got nothing to do with usage limits... this is the bit you should be looking at:


The generally accepted usage of "Unlimited" as defined by the industry regulators is no significant speed reduction, restriction, disconnection, or additional charges for going over any particular amount of usage.

Basically put there will be absolutely no change in the speed or cost of your connection nomatter how much or little you use.

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

The generally accepted usage of "Unlimited" as defined by the industry regulators is no significant speed reduction, restriction, disconnection, or additional charges for going over any particular amount of usage.

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

No usage limit = unlimited. Perhaps you should try a dictionary.

You can't tell someone to use the dictionary meaning of the word unlimited while you are using an industry regulator definition. That is not fair

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Throttle != usage limit.

This is how BT describe the way they limit P2P during peak times "Slowed down". A dictionary would probably tell you that the word throttle is based on throttle valve, which is a valve used to slow something down, such as a gas, a liquid or....possibly BT broadband?

Ergo, you pay extra for unlimited which could actually be limited at some time

[Chrysalis]

BT are ok with their advertising because the p2p exclusion is clearly shown on the product page. Not super hidden away like VM tend to do.

[AdamD]

Well it's been AOK since it was installed, much like our Sky ADSL2+ service was
So I'm happy.

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by Qtx

You can't tell someone to use the dictionary meaning of the word unlimited while you are using an industry regulator definition. That is not fair

Except they both agree with each other, only one has specific detail relating to the particular situation.

[ferretuk]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

But that's got nothing to do with usage limits...

Not aware that Qtx has mentioned usage limits so why are you changing the subject?

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

this is the bit you should be looking at:

Edit by ferretuk - Table omitted

Disingenious of you to omit the lines of text immediately preceding the table you show, so allow me (I've added the bold)

Section 1: Traffic management in relation to your broadband product (not including during busy times and places to manage network congestion. See section 2)

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

The generally accepted usage of "Unlimited" as defined by the industry regulators is no significant speed reduction, restriction, disconnection, or additional charges for going over any particular amount of usage.

Basically put there will be absolutely no change in the speed or cost of your connection nomatter how much or little you use.

So the change in P2P speed for 8 hours each weekday and 30 hours of the weekend isn't 'significant'?

[Chrysalis]

it is but as I said because BT specifically show it as excluded on the product page before order its ok by ASA standards.