Superhub : Superhub & Portforwarding ?

[davidjames1701]

my superhub is currently in modem mode, running a Linksys router,
But am thinking of putting it back to router,
Does anyone know if you can configure port forwarding on the superhub and setup DDNS ?

[Sephiroth]

If you search the term "dyndns" here: http://www.alex-brown.co.uk/2010/11/superhub.html

You'll see that the voice of VM has said that DDNS is not supported on the SH.

It can only be a regressive step (from the network perspective) if you ditch modem mode. I'm sure others will say likewise.

[caph]

Yes you can port forward. DDNS is not supported internally, DHCP is all you need unless you really need named addresses internally? For being able to access your router via a URL across the internet, then no, currently there is no facility for the Superhub to update an external service with your IP intermittently. It would be a great idea though. You can either get another router that supports it e.g. Draytek. Or else get a small device with the feature e.g. cheap webcam, but you will have to leave it plugged in constantly. That said your IP will rarely change so just try writing it down somewhere e.g. on your phone.

[davidjames1701]

I have two other routers, was thinking of putting the superhub back in router to use the ethernet ports as the Superhub is next two my printers and NAS, and using the other two routers and a AP in bridge mode in roofspace to max out wifi at home, wanting to try DDNS to use a iphone app to access home network and cloud storage, just starting out with all this, want to know more.
Think i may need named addresses internally.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

If you search the term "dyndns" here: http://www.alex-brown.co.uk/2010/11/superhub.html

You'll see that the voice of VM has said that DDNS is not supported on the SH.

It can only be a regressive step (from the network perspective) if you ditch modem mode. I'm sure others will say likewise.

Sorry, could not find "dyndns" on that link,
Would Virgin support DDNS if Superhub is in modem, and using my Cisco router?

[Sephiroth]

Well, you took my word for it anyway. A third party router that supports DDNS is not hindered by the SH in modem mode.

BTW the link and search did work for me. The search would have brought you:

"Alex BrownFebruary 2, 2011 10:01 PM
Hi

Thanks for the comments - sorry to have been a few days in approving comments & responding ... been maxed out!

Andrew - This is a new one on me. Can you please report it on the Help & Support forums (http://community.virginmedia.com/) with some details and the community team will pick it up asap.

Mr Barton - Don't have a firm date yet, but it's being worked on right now and we'll publish details on the Help & Support forums as soon as we have some news (as per previous responses).

John - Way over my head sorry, but I checked in with the expert:

"Your Synology NAS box should work fine with our SuperHub but may require a little bit of port forwarding and configuration for it. Does your current router support Dyndns login via its configuration pages? Our Hub doesn't directly support the Dyndns login so it would just be a case of checking every now and then to ensure your IP hasn't been changed and updating your Dyndns account accordingly if it has. Other then that just setup the required ports to forward and it should work fine "

[qasdfdsaq]

DDNS isn't that neccessary with VM's semi-static IPs anyway, so having a client running on your PC tends to be enough. Over the last 6 years my VM IP has only changed 10 times.

[sniper007]

I have been on the same IP for at least the last 6 months.

[robinhood1701]

Originally Posted by sniper007

I have been on the same IP for at least the last 6 months.

Think mine has been the same since i've been noticing it

Will Virgin reserve an IP address, or is it chargeable ?

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Well, you took my word for it anyway. A third party router that supports DDNS is not hindered by the SH in modem mode.

BTW the link and search did work for me. The search would have brought you:

"Alex BrownFebruary 2, 2011 10:01 PM
Hi

Thanks for the comments - sorry to have been a few days in approving comments & responding ... been maxed out!

Andrew - This is a new one on me. Can you please report it on the Help & Support forums (http://community.virginmedia.com/) with some details and the community team will pick it up asap.

Mr Barton - Don't have a firm date yet, but it's being worked on right now and we'll publish details on the Help & Support forums as soon as we have some news (as per previous responses).

John - Way over my head sorry, but I checked in with the expert:

"Your Synology NAS box should work fine with our SuperHub but may require a little bit of port forwarding and configuration for it. Does your current router support Dyndns login via its configuration pages? Our Hub doesn't directly support the Dyndns login so it would just be a case of checking every now and then to ensure your IP hasn't been changed and updating your Dyndns account accordingly if it has. Other then that just setup the required ports to forward and it should work fine "

Thanks for that Seph, you've answered a question, what i'm trying to achive is

1, a better understanding of routers & bridging them, networking, wifi, etc

2, I'm trying to get a iphone app i have working on 3G, which can access my whole network called FileBrowser, its fine at home on wifi, i have a Cisco EA6500 router as router at mo, its a newish model, recent F/W updates seem to upset its cloud based configuration page, which seems to be affected when you update F/W, it has no local alternate config page (yet), i'd like to get that and similar working with just my IP address if poss.

[General Maximus]

Originally Posted by davidjames1701

my superhub is currently in modem mode, running a Linksys router, But am thinking of putting it back to router?

why why oh why? Why don't you use your Linksys router and your primary router with dhcp and disable dhcp and wireless on the shub and use it as a switch for your printer and whatever else?

[robinhood1701]

Originally Posted by General Maximus

why why oh why? Why don't you use your Linksys router and your primary router with dhcp and disable dhcp and wireless on the shub and use it as a switch for your printer and whatever else?

General, Sir, why, why, why haven't i tried that ?

Because i've just read your post, which sounds brilliant, just what i want, i think as a bit of a noob, disabling DHCP and wireless on the Superhub should just invole ticking or unticking a box, not sure how to use my primary router, a Linksys EA6500 and a Linksys E4200 V1 which is cable bridged and a Edimax Wireless Repeater which is also cable bridged from The EA6500, with DCHP?
also hoping to add a TP Link TL-WR1043ND with dd-wrt f/w in bridge, or repeater bridge in dd-wrt terms.

How do i, simply, use the routers with DCHP ?

[General Maximus]

you only need to let one router handle the proper "routing" side of things and that should be the high end linksys router. It can do all your dhcp, you can setup some reserved static ips for your other routers and hardware (dhcp reservation list button), port forwardings and your ddns stuff. It is perfect for it. On the other hand you want to tax the shub as little as possible then you don't have to worry about anything going wrong. Having weak links in your network isn't good.

It should litterally be a check box job and you can untick dhcp on any routers (inc shub) you are going to distribute around the house. This means that all your internal ip addresses will be handed out by your core router (the 6500). I would keep wireless switched on on the 4200 and put it at the opposite end of the house. Set the same ssid on both routers and use different channels and that way your have got 2 kick ass routers giving your full strong wireless coverage. You can use the shub whereever you want as a switch with dhcp, wireless, and FIREWALL disabled.

Also, one of the many joys of having a Linksys router is that you can set your dns servers. I have been using google dns servers (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4) for years and they are great. When there are issues with VMs dns servers and you get other users on the forum moaning they can't get to certain sites (all the shub users ) you can sit back with a big grin on your face.

[ferretuk]

Originally Posted by robinhood1701

General, Sir, why, why, why haven't i tried that ?

Because i've just read your post, which sounds brilliant, just what i want, i think as a bit of a noob, disabling DHCP and wireless on the Superhub should just invole ticking or unticking a box, not sure how to use my primary router, a Linksys EA6500 and a Linksys E4200 V1 which is cable bridged and a Edimax Wireless Repeater which is also cable bridged from The EA6500, with DCHP?
also hoping to add a TP Link TL-WR1043ND with dd-wrt f/w in bridge, or repeater bridge in dd-wrt terms.

How do i, simply, use the routers with DCHP ?

Unfortunately the solution proposed by GM won't actually work...

I'm not entirely clear what you're trying to achieve, but a few pointers:

1. You should ideally only have one unit providing routing functionality in your network.
2. If you need to use the ethernet ports on your SH, then the SH has to be in router mode and therefore 'the' router. Modem mode disables the switch functionality of the SH.
3. Other routers can be used as wireless access points by turning of their DHCP server, giving them a management address outside the main router DHCP scope (but in the same subnet) and connecting one of the LAN ports on the access point 'router' to the main router.
4. The SH does not support DDNS so one of your other routers will need to be the main router if you need this. The SH will then need to be in modem mode (See 2) Alternatively you could run a DDNS update client on one of your PCs.
5. I would recommend putting all access points on the same SSID and the same channel for 'seamless' roaming around the house.
6. I'm not familiar with the iPhone app you want to use. Do you only need to connect to one of your internal machines from the phone when outside? If so then you'll need to sort out the port forwarding in the router to that machine.

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by ferretuk

Unfortunately the solution proposed by GM won't actually work...

It will, it's just not ideal. Then again having a Superhub in your network is not ideal.

Originally Posted by ferretuk

I'm not entirely clear what you're trying to achieve, but a few pointers:

Port forwarding and DDNS

Originally Posted by ferretuk

1. You should ideally only have one unit providing routing functionality in your network.

NAT, yes. Routing, no. Multiple routers is fine, that's how the whole internet works.

Originally Posted by ferretuk

3. Other routers can be used as wireless access points by turning of their DHCP server, giving them a management address outside the main router DHCP scope (but in the same subnet)

Don't need to be anywhere near the same subnet.

Originally Posted by ferretuk

4. The SH does not support DDNS so one of your other routers will need to be the main router if you need this. The SH will then need to be in modem mode (See 2)

No they dont and no it doesn't.

Originally Posted by ferretuk

Alternatively you could run a DDNS update client on one of your PCs.

Or you could run a DDNS update client on a second router, like was already suggested

[robinhood1701]

Originally Posted by General Maximus

you only need to let one router handle the proper "routing" side of things and that should be the high end linksys router. It can do all your dhcp, you can setup some reserved static ips for your other routers and hardware (dhcp reservation list button), port forwardings and your ddns stuff. It is perfect for it. On the other hand you want to tax the shub as little as possible then you don't have to worry about anything going wrong. Having weak links in your network isn't good.

It should litterally be a check box job and you can untick dhcp on any routers (inc shub) you are going to distribute around the house. This means that all your internal ip addresses will be handed out by your core router (the 6500). I would keep wireless switched on on the 4200 and put it at the opposite end of the house. Set the same ssid on both routers and use different channels and that way your have got 2 kick ass routers giving your full strong wireless coverage. You can use the shub whereever you want as a switch with dhcp, wireless, and FIREWALL disabled.

Also, one of the many joys of having a Linksys router is that you can set your dns servers. I have been using google dns servers (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4) for years and they are great. When there are issues with VMs dns servers and you get other users on the forum moaning they can't get to certain sites (all the shub users ) you can sit back with a big grin on your face.

Always thought the primary router should be the first thing after the modem,
But the router, think I'm understanding more of what that means, routes all the internal IP address to stuff ?

The shub is next to the cable access point at one end of the single storey bungalow, next to two printers, NAS and stuff, with a cable into roof space serving EA6500 as router, with a E4200 in cabled bridge plus a Edimax Repeater also in cabled bridge from my EA6500, plus TiVo, printers, NAS n stuff cabled from EA6500 assisted by a 5 port switch, using unused ports on shub will be an advantage,
If I know what to do, using shub with stuff switched off, can be tried, if it doesn't work out,
I can try another configuration ?

[Sephiroth]

Your plan is sound. The main thing is to give the SH the minimum amount to do by turning off wireless & firewall. This leaves it mereley to route out to its four switch ports.

You'll want to allow for double natting if your devices are sensistive to this; you'll need to set each router into bridge mode with own discrete DHCP range for serving out to their attached devices. Double natting takes care of addressing from the SH to the appropriate router.

There is no reason I can think of why the solution you propose shouldn't work with stability.