Baby dies after home circumcision

[Osem]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-20503660

God only knows what was in the parents' heads as their child was mutilated!

This sort of thing is barbaric!

[MalteseFalcon]

So many things wrong with this story, I don't know where to begin. Nigerian parents don't know circumcision is on the NHS? Bet they knew full well about everything else on the NHS though.

I'm going to stop here and walk away before I make comments that get me banned.

^ WTF?

[thenry]

idiots.

RIP little 1.

[Caff]

I accept other cultures' beliefs and practises.
I often struggle to accept actions from other cultures.
This action on my home turf appals me.
May others learn from this.


Rest sweetly Little One.

[Tezcatlipoca]

Awful

And this woman was a nurse and a midwife?

[Jimmy-J]

Unnecessary circumcision performed on an infant for no reason other than a belief in a religion, is child abuse and genital mutilation.

This is one of the wickedest things that otherwise good people do in the name of religion. The parents and the people that allow this abuse to happen should be utterly ashamed of what they are partaking in, but no, according to their "good" book, it's a perfectly legitimate thing to do.

If only they could wait until their babies were old enough to make their own decisions concerning what religion, if any, they want to believe in.

[Osem]

Sadly, I dare say this sort of thing is still rife in certain places and it needs to be stamped out. If 3 children a month are being treated by a single hospital for the effects of botched circumcisions , I wonder what's being done about the 'parents' who organise and allow it?! Could it be that none of these people know about the NHS I wonder?

I have a feeling that a blind eye has been being turned to this sort of thing and very much hope that any sentences imposed reflect the fact that this sort of thing will not be tolerated in the UK, whatever the reasons. 'Ignorance' should be no defence when it comes to such cruelty and this has to stop!

[Zee]

Originally Posted by Jimmy-J

Unnecessary circumcision performed on an infant for no reason other than a belief in a religion, is child abuse and genital mutilation.

This is one of the wickedest things that otherwise good people do in the name of religion. The parents and the people that allow this abuse to happen should be utterly ashamed of what they are partaking in, but no, according to their "good" book, it's a perfectly legitimate thing to do.

If only they could wait until their babies were old enough to make their own decisions concerning what religion, if any, they want to believe in.

you are talking absolute rubbish. what does that have to do with anything? If this procedure is done properly, in a proper environment its safe and pain free. This is an isolated incident which was not done properly.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Zee

you are talking absolute rubbish. what does that have to do with anything? If this procedure is done properly, in a proper environment its safe and pain free. This is an isolated incident which was not done properly.

Exactly. Plus there are plenty of kids being circumcised properly for no religious reasons whatsoever.

Circumcision is not barbaric - if it was it wouldnt be available on the NHS. There are plenty of health/hygiene reasons advocating circumcision.

[Jimmy-J]

Originally Posted by Zee

you are talking absolute rubbish. what does that have to do with anything? If this procedure is done properly, in a proper environment its safe and pain free. This is an isolated incident which was not done properly.

It doesn't matter how well it's done, what does matter is that this horrible procedure is being forced on the innocent child. I'm all in favour of circumcision when it has to be done for medical reasons, but dead against it when done on a perfectly healthy boy or girl.

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Exactly. Plus there are plenty of kids being circumcised properly for no religious reasons whatsoever.

Circumcision is not barbaric - if it was it wouldnt be available on the NHS. There are plenty of health/hygiene reasons advocating circumcision.

Just because it's available on the NHS, doesn't mean it's right. And just because a religion tells you it's a good thing, doesn't mean it is either.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Zee

you are talking absolute rubbish. what does that have to do with anything? If this procedure is done properly, in a proper environment its safe and pain free. This is an isolated incident which was not done properly.

Unless I've missed something the fact that 3 baby boys a month are treated at a single hospital for botched circumcisions would seem to indicate it's not quite as isolated as you think.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Osem

Unless I've missed something the fact that 3 baby boys a month are treated at a single hospital for botched circumcisions would seem to indicate it's not quite as isolated as you think.

You'd have to look at that in relation to how many muslim and jewish kids are born in the UK every year as both those religions advocate circumcison, and then look at it as a percentage.

Don't get me wrong, I think carrying out any form of surgical procedure at home, or without properly trained medical staff using proper equipment, is totally wrong. It's not something I would do, but I very much doubt that ,when you look at this as a percentage of actual birth rates, it will be a significant percentage.

[nomadking]

3 per month at ONE hospital, that's ok then? Then add in those which are botched, but not seriously enough to require hospital treatment.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by nomadking

3 per month at ONE hospital, that's ok then? Then add in those which are botched, but not seriously enough to require hospital treatment.

I didnt say that was ok - I said that I would say it's not a significant amount of the newly born muslims and jewish boys that have circumcisions in proper surroundings.