100M VM on Watchdog - Page 2

carlwaring · 23-11-2012, 22:29

I don't know why people keep posting that. I apply that to most companies. Doesn't everyone?

Qtx · 23-11-2012, 22:34

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Originally Posted by carlwaring

I don't know why people keep posting that. I apply that to most companies. Doesn't everyone?

This thread had VM and Watchdog in the title. That image is taken from a previous Watchdog program about VM and their 25 banned adverts in 18 months.

If you still can't see why it was posted in this thread, I advise you clean those rose coloured specs that were probably a freebie from VM.

thenry · 23-11-2012, 22:37

and to add because the other fibre product on offer from BT and Sky is of much better qaulity. qaulity you'd expect from VM having watched the fastest man on earth promote the service. not only that but the initial ETAs set back for some.

carlwaring · 23-11-2012, 23:29

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Originally Posted by Qtx

This thread had VM and Watchdog in the title. That image is taken from a previous Watchdog program about VM and their 25 banned adverts in 18 months.

If you still can't see why it was posted in this thread, I advise you clean those rose coloured specs that were probably a freebie from VM.

It was a rhetorical comment but thanks for the reminder. Now, about the other bit in my post that you didn't comment on?

Do you explicitly believe any and all advertisers and only take what VM say "with a pinch of salt"? Is it only VM that bend the truth in advertising?

Qtx · 23-11-2012, 23:37

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It was a rhetorical comment but thanks for the reminder. Now, about the other bit in my post that you didn't comment on?

Do you explicitly believe any and all advertisers and only take what VM say "with a pinch of salt"? Is it only VM that bend the truth in advertising?

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I don't know why people keep posting that.

I explained why, even though it was obvious. As to why I did not answer the other part, it was not there when I first looked at the thread. Just like how you edited the post above, removing the part where you said I was insulting you and adding the second paragraph which was not there when first posted.

VM have been pulled up by the ASA 25 times in 18 months. VM were on Watchdog about it. That picture was from watchdog. End of story.

Even if VM burned down your house and killed your pets, you would turn around and say that other companies do it. So I don't even know why I am responding :P

carlwaring · 23-11-2012, 23:59

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I explained why, even though it was obvious.

Well that was a waste of time then

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As to why I did not answer the other part, it was not there when I first looked at the thread.

Fair enough.

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Just like how you edited the post above, removing the part where you said I was insulting you and adding the second paragraph which was not there when first posted.

Well that can happen when you happen to be reading a thread just as someone is posting.

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Even if VM burned down your house and killed your pets, you would turn around and say that other companies do it.

Well that was a really dumb thing to say, wasn't it.

Of course VM shouldn't, and don't, lie in their adverts. I do agree, though, that they could do better.

Chrysalis · 24-11-2012, 06:53

25 times, I think it shouts out that the ASA need the facility to apply fines, clearly banning ads doesnt deter VM. They need the ability to hit VM's bottom line.

Sephiroth · 24-11-2012, 10:12

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and to add because the other fibre product on offer from BT and Sky is of much better qaulity. qaulity you'd expect from VM having watched the fastest man on earth promote the service. not only that but the initial ETAs set back for some.

Please understand. th, I'm not defending CW and his annoying deflection from VM. It doesn't matter in this thread that we take most other advertising material with a pinch of salt - so his point was pointless - as usual.

But I can't agree with you entirely on BT/Sky fibre product offer being better than VM's.

As you know, I have both VM and Infinity. When I was on 40/10 I got 38/8. When they doubled the frequency, I'm lucky to get 55/10. So the copper run is still a gotcha for distances of 300m or more. hen I got upgraded earlier this month from 50 meg to 100 meg, I got/get the 100 meg. The architecture sees to that.

There is an argument (that I've used before too) that BT's fibre is new and adequately capacious. Now that VM are renewing fibre in their upgrade programme, this BT advantage falls away.

I do agree with you that VM can be fairly criticised for a shameful marketing trick of offering to double speeds on a faster timetable than they actually knoew would be possible, simply to counter BT's speed doubling on Infinity. That was cynical, misleading unworthy.

carlwaring · 24-11-2012, 10:36

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Please understand. th, I'm not defending CW and his annoying deflection from VM. It doesn't matter in this thread that we take most other advertising material with a pinch of salt - so his point was pointless - as usual.

Not at all, but thanks for the usual derogatory comment.

It just seems to me that we are singling out VM without looking at the wider picture. Yes, I know this is thread about VM and have agreed with the consensus on their advertising but some of us don't take things in isolation and like to look at context before commenting.

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I do agree with you that VM can be fairly criticised for a shameful marketing trick of offering to double speeds on a faster timetable than they actually know would be possible....

So you'll be able to prove this then.

Sephiroth · 24-11-2012, 10:53

So there yoiu go again with this "can you prove it" rubbish. Just think about it - and it's why VM ends up on Watchdog.

They carefully plan what they can get away with saying. They are a major broadband player and know exactly at all times what resources thay can apply to their infrastructure. My statement doesn't need proving beyond that. As if you didn't know.

As for singling out VM and disregarding the wider picture - this forum section is about VM. So it isn't necessary in the context of this thread especially to consider the wider picture. You know that too.

carlwaring · 24-11-2012, 11:19

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So there you go again with this "can you prove it" rubbish. Just think about it - and it's why VM ends up on Watchdog.

Well can you? So far all we have is your opinion on the matter. Which is fine. We all have opinions.

Mine is that, with the best will in the world, things go wrong. VM made a good, educated estimate of how long it would take but things have taken longer than they thought for whatever reason.

So perhaps they should have added six months to their estimates or perhaps not said anything at all until the work was under-way and they had a better idea.

The problem of course, as easily demonstrated in the 'Coming Soon' thread is that VM can't win either way. If they say something and it doesn't happen at precisely the time they said they get slammed for it; so they don't say anything and it's all "why don't they announce stuff".

Of course, you may well be right. But without proof it is still just your opinion, even though you stated it as fact.

I really wish people wouldn't do that

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They carefully plan what they can get away with saying.

I like a good conspiracy theory as give me a good laugh. Unfortunately, this isn't even a good one.

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They are a major broadband player and know exactly at all times what resources they can apply to their infrastructure.

This may well be true. But I don't suppose for one minute that they can see the future so won't have any clue if something might go wrong to put their plans back.

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My statement doesn't need proving beyond that. As if you didn't know.

You made a statement of fact. Facts can be proved.

Sirius · 24-11-2012, 11:24

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So you'll be able to prove this then.

Do you have that as a standard reply on one of your F keys

Chrysalis · 24-11-2012, 11:41

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

So there yoiu go again with this "can you prove it" rubbish. Just think about it - and it's why VM ends up on Watchdog.

They carefully plan what they can get away with saying. They are a major broadband player and know exactly at all times what resources thay can apply to their infrastructure. My statement doesn't need proving beyond that. As if you didn't know.

As for singling out VM and disregarding the wider picture - this forum section is about VM. So it isn't necessary in the context of this thread especially to consider the wider picture. You know that too.

Worst case scenario for infinity 15meg (they wont install when below that), and the reserved rate for each customer is 30mbit/sec. Worst case for VM much worse sub 1mbit.

So infinity in its worst case scenario remains useable for mainstream activities, VM doesnt.

carlwaring · 24-11-2012, 12:03

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Do you have that as a standard reply on one of your F keys

I'll take that as a "no" then.

**Mick** · 24-11-2012, 12:26

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I'll take that as a "no" then.

FFS Carl Waring!!!! Take it how you wish - but stop with the barridge of ridiculous postings demanding proof for everything including the World and his bloody Wife.

ALSO: Certain members are reminded that the Reported Post Facility is not to be used to report someone who has a differing opinion to yours. Stop wasting our time - We are not the thought Police.