You can't get me I'm part of the Union........

Originally Posted by papa smurf

good for you ,you look after yourself the union wont loose any sleep over it .

I can't imagine they would as they don't seem to be interested in people who simply want to do a great job and provide for their family.

Have just read thet letter that Peter posted again and what he is sayng is the complete opposite to the letter my mate got from VM.

Notice the union guy got the reps to sign the letter rather than himself, my mates is signed by his Director, that says a lot to me

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Top banana

I can't imagine they would as they don't seem to be interested in people who simply want to do a great job and provide for their family.

Have just read thet letter that Peter posted again and what he is sayng is the complete opposite to the letter my mate got from VM.

Notice the union guy got the reps to sign the letter rather than himself, my mates is signed by his Director, that says a lot to me

If you are talking about the links they are directly from the CWU website.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Top banana

I can't imagine they would as they don't seem to be interested in people who simply want to do a great job and provide for their family.

Have just read thet letter that Peter posted again and what he is sayng is the complete opposite to the letter my mate got from VM.

Notice the union guy got the reps to sign the letter rather than himself, my mates is signed by his Director, that says a lot to me

The letter i received from the union today was personally signed by John East of the Union.

[Peter_]

I will post that letter as I am not an employee as it makes interesting reading.

From the office of John East| Assistant Secretary (Telecoms)

Email jeast@cwu.org | Direct line 020 8971 7242

Maurice Daw

Executive Director – Access

Virgin Media



15th November 2012



Dear Maurice



De-recognition of the CWU



I am writing to you to express our extreme disappointment at the actions of your Access Division management and to seek clarity on a few issues you have raised in your recent communications.



As you know, our Recognition agreement is a voluntary agreement, jointly entered into. The first paragraph of our joint agreement defines the nature of our relationship:



“It indicates the spirit of mutual trust and respect in which the parties agree to work together”



The way your intention to begin the process of de-recognition was conveyed to the CWU betrays this spirit. We had no inkling that Virgin Media felt there were any issues with our relationship. So I must formally record on behalf of our membership we are disappointed that the Access division management you chose to set aside and ignore those of the principles of the agreement.



The way this process has been handled has done nothing but damage the reputation of Access management in terms of fairness, honesty and trust, all of which we presume you would claim as Virgin Values.



It is our belief that you have been badly advised, to the detriment of the company and its workforce.



The “referendum” is prejudicial:



No attempt has been made to even give the impression of independence.
Those not covered by our agreement are getting a vote to end it.
The process is entirely one sided –home mailshots, roadshows, 1-2-1’s, emails and briefings from senior managers on the one side, a statement from the CWU on an obscure website on the other.



The process undermines all that Virgin professes to support and if you allow this to continue is damaging to the Virgin brand which would be regrettable.



If you are so minded to agree with this divisive approach, it beholds the company to explain what it intends doing with the result.



Ø Why did the company not agree the list of people who will get a vote?

Ø Why is the company not using a licensed Independent Scrutineer to carry out the vote?

Ø Are there a minimum number of employees that have to take part in the vote as would be required in a statutory ballot?





Ø What is the minimum number of employees that have to vote Yes to carry the vote?


Our members do not accept that this process has any legitimacy.



Turning to your most recent written communication “Virgin Media Keep Up”, you assert that the CWU are scaremongering. You write “you may have heard from them that we’re cutting jobs and imposing changes.” without producing any evidence to support this statement. For the record, neither in any communication, nor in any discussion has the CWU ever suggested that you are cutting jobs. Nor have we said you are imposing changes.



Even more outrageously, your HOD’s have now circulated a lengthy unprofessional audio clip exhorting people to vote to deny themselves union representation. Part of the content read in this very poorly produced and amateurish production, tells their audience that the union is planning to organise strikes and picket Virgin shops. We view this matter quite seriously as there is no evidence that we have ever said this nor can you produce any plans that this is our intention. Can I ask whether you agree with this content and are you prepared to issue a retraction of what is an untruth? Even if you are not prepared to respond to the points above, we seriously ask you to reflect and answer this one sole point.



The only message we have given in relation to the future is to repeat what you yourself have revealed either when you convened a conference call of CWU reps, or during Roadshows that you have attended, that you would like to make changes in the future.



Our message to our members and other employees has been to consider carefully why you would want to de-recognise their union.



You have also said “and I don’t feel the people at CWU can join us in that journey…”



The people at CWU are its members. Whatever your intentions, they will see this as nothing more than a thinly disguised attack on every CWU member and employee employed by Virgin Media who seeks to defend a collective approach to their terms and conditions.



We have always stated that we want to see Virgin Media be a successful company, so that our members might share in that success. It is not the CWU that damages your Brand, but the actions of those who would make the wider society reflect on Virgin Media’s values and that of the wider Virgin Media Brand.



We believe it is not too late to change course. It is clear that there are managers advising you who have a history of using union busting tactics. It has not gone without notice amongst our members.



I am therefore asking you to review and to suspend this shabby business and to sit down together in the spirit intended by our recognition agreement and discuss the future in a calm and considered manner.



Yours sincerely

John East

Assistant Secretary (Telecoms)



cc All CWU members employed by Virgin Media

[papa smurf]

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Originally Posted by Top banana

I can't imagine they would as they don't seem to be interested in people who simply want to do a great job and provide for their family.[

Originally Posted by Top banana

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Have just read thet letter that Peter posted again and what he is sayng is the complete opposite to the letter my mate got from VM.

Notice the union guy got the reps to sign the letter rather than himself, my mates is signed by his Director, that says a lot to me

they eat babies as well-and dont forget every time virgin propose a 10% pay increase the union beats them down to 2% because we are all evil

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by MaverickJesus

Christ that union response looks amateur. Is that what passes for unions these days? I wouldn't be expecting much if that's the calibre of representation you have.

In my experience of dealing with trade unions, the CWU is the most unprofessional outfit I have ever come across.

Originally Posted by Peter_

Have you not realised that all this shows is a company running for the hills because they know come the end of the month the CWU will have them over a barrel with the evidence to hand or would you rather be tugging your forelock to the bosses of such a company.

I am looking forward to the upcoming case with bated breath.

He keeps saying this, despite being told that gloating (especially premature gloating) is an unpleasant trait.

When he was asked about any effect this could have on customers and/or former colleagues, he openly stated "I don't care".

Originally Posted by papa smurf

good for you ,you look after yourself the union wont loose any sleep over it .

Originally Posted by Top banana

I can't imagine they would as they don't seem to be interested in people who simply want to do a great job and provide for their family.

Have just read thet letter that Peter posted again and what he is sayng is the complete opposite to the letter my mate got from VM.

Notice the union guy got the reps to sign the letter rather than himself, my mates is signed by his Director, that says a lot to me

My involvement with trade unions and political parties over the years has led me to believe that 'Animal Farm' is not a work of fiction

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

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they eat babies as well-and dont forget every time virgin propose a 10% pay increase the union beats them down to 2% because we are all evil

It can only getting more and more interesting and intense as the battle lines are drawn.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

He keeps saying this, despite being told that gloating (especially premature gloating) is an unpleasant trait.

When he was asked about any effect this could have on customers and/or former colleagues, he openly stated "I don't care".

Do you really expect anyone that was made redundant in the underhand way that Virgin media went about it to really care about the company.

To be blunt it will have little detrimental effect in the long term to a company as large as Virgin Media, because any bad publicity will go the way of the bad publicity they received when the announcement of the closure was made and will quickly fade from most people memories.

I am all for extruding my pound of flesh from the company as are the vast majority of ex employees from the Albert Dock, and if you think we should forgive and forget what they did because they gave us employment then you are a rather deluded individual.

They got rid of a highly trained and knowledgeable workforce with scant disregard about what would happen to those individuals and to be honest the majority would still be working for them now if they had simply just moved premises if the Albert Dock was truly not sustainable, my self included.

Originally Posted by Peter_

I will post that letter as I am not an employee as it makes interesting reading.

Not an employee but you stated you are a union rep, so not suprised you posted this - hope its factual. VM seem to be taking a dignified approach to this issue rather than resorting to getting ex employees to promote propaganda on their behalf.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

Strange, I don't remember that being a question

Originally Posted by Peter_

As he knows nothing about the goings on within Virgin Media he will be using his imagination.

You have no knowledge of my involvement with VM. Do not make unsubstantiated comments.

The information was supplied by the employee insight and engagement manager at Virgin Media, I think that she will have more of an idea of what's going on than someone who hasn't worked there for nearly a year.

I repeat, the 2012 survey is looking at whether financial incentives lead to greater engagement with staff, in particular those who participate in its Sharesave scheme and performance-related pay ie is it value for money?

It is hoped that the 2012 survey will have a response rate of at least 90%.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Top banana

Not an employee but you stated you are a union rep, so not surprised you posted this - hope its factual. VM seem to be taking a dignified approach to this issue rather than resorting to getting ex employees to promote propaganda on their behalf.

It is, that's the same letter all members of the CWU were sent.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Peter_

Do you really expect anyone that was made redundant in the underhand way that Virgin media went about it to really care about the company.

To be blunt it will have little detrimental effect in the long term to a company as large as Virgin Media, because any bad publicity will go the way of the bad publicity they received when the announcement of the closure was made and will quickly fade from most people memories.

I am all for extruding my pound of flesh from the company as are the vast majority of ex employees from the Albert Dock, and if you think we should forgive and forget what they did because they gave us employment then you are a rather deluded individual.

They got rid of a highly trained and knowledgeable workforce with scant disregard about what would happen to those individuals and to be honest the majority would still be working for them now if they had simply just moved premises if the Albert Dock was truly not sustainable, my self included.

You are coming across as bitter, selfish and vindictive- most unpleasant.

I advise you to remove the letter immediately.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Top banana

Not an employee but you stated you are a union rep, so not suprised you posted this - hope its factual. VM seem to be taking a dignified approach to this issue rather than resorting to getting ex employees to promote propaganda on their behalf.

No I was a union rep and that was not sent to me but sourced externally and the is no valid reason not to post it as it states Virgin Media are attempting to undermine people by not following the correct route with outside scrutineers as that means an easily rigged vote.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sirius

It can only getting more and more interesting and intense as the battle lines are drawn.

i listened to a recorded phone message from one of the hod's yesterday he claims the union are going on strike and we are going to picket vm premisses ,i have never heard such a load of bull crap in my life this whole fiasco smacks of desperation from vm management ,i'm afraid they have completely lost the trust of any staff member who has more than one brain cell ,but they do have the undying support of the vegetables and bum kissers ,thankfully they are in the minority .

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

You have no knowledge of my involvement with VM. Do not make unsubstantiated comments.

I believe your relationship is purely a figment of your imagination, nothing more.

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

You are coming across as bitter, selfish and vindictive- most unpleasant.

You come across as desperate to make people believe you are in close contact with upper management but continually try to pry information from people on here that your so called friends would have already told you if your so called connections actually existed.

You really believe that my colleagues and myself should not feel anger over the way we were treated especially with regards to the lies used as part of the closure, you are delusional if you think otherwise.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I advise you to remove the letter immediately.

Not in bold then??.................. oh of course you are not part of the Cableforum team and the forum host position was on another forum remember and even that was shortlived.