Operation Yewtree - Page 39

Chad · 08-11-2012, 22:46

Is it now roundly accepted that Jimmy was a paedo?

Does anyone, other than the Yorkshire Ripper, still have doubts?

Osem · 09-11-2012, 07:03

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well they DIDN'T tell me..So I refuse to be accused of being an accomplice in the matter or of being equally guilty along with those who did know which what my point was..I DID NOT KNOW AND I NEVER HEARD A WORD ABOUT SAVILE IN ALL THAT TIME.

The vast majority of the country had no idea and to insist they did is rubbish.I read nothing about it in any newspapers and heard nothing in the media about it until the ITV programme.

The rats NOW coming out of the corners swearing that they heard this and that why the feck did they say nothing until now?Those are the guilty parties.I'll tell you why.They had no definitive hard evidence.It's going to be interesting to see just what hard real evidence the police turn up after all this time that doesn't turn out to be hearsay.

I'm with you on this one. Now all this is coming out, many pieces of a puzzle are coming into place but there are plenty still missing and the vast majority of the general public will have known nothing about this. It's quite clear that some in the media and in positions of responsibility etc. knew something was up and didn't do anything about it at the time for one reason or another. It's equally clear that some of the names 'in the frame' are there for no good reason at this stage and we are in danger of this becoming a form of modern day McCarthyism.

IMHO Philip's Schofield's stunt on live TV yesterday during an interview with the Prime Minister was a totally irresponsible case of rumour-mongering and a perfect example of what the media ought not be doing right now.

**Maggy** · 09-11-2012, 07:56

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Originally Posted by Osem

I'm with you on this one. Now all this is coming out, many pieces of a puzzle are coming into place but there are plenty still missing and the vast majority of the general public will have known nothing about this. It's quite clear that some in the media and in positions of responsibility etc. knew something was up and didn't do anything about it at the time for one reason or another. It's equally clear that some of the names 'in the frame' are there for no good reason at this stage and we are in danger of this becoming a form of modern day McCarthyism.

IMHO Philip's Schofield's stunt on live TV yesterday during an interview with the Prime Minister was a totally irresponsible case of rumour-mongering and a perfect example of what the media ought not be doing right now.

It's the first time that Cameron and I have agreed on an issue and that there is a real danger of a media led witch hunt.

Mind if they do they fall into the behaviour which the Leveson Inquiry was just investigating.

Osem · 09-11-2012, 08:50

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Mind if they do they fall into the behaviour which the Leveson Inquiry was just investigating.

Well it's fast becoming a feeding frenzy in the media circus and they're too busy gorging themselves to notice.

Stuart · 09-11-2012, 09:47

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Originally Posted by Vieil Homme

Sorry to keep saying this but the Scout & Guid Association knew of a problem With Savile back in the early 80s so why was it that the police and BBC never acted when allegations were put forward? I find that quite strange and can't be called hindsight a lot of people knew it was going on.

The abuse suffered by the children in that Welsh home just went on and on just like some children from the Catholic homes and Dr Barnardo's and only now are they being believed. That was not hindsight that was people above finding no case to answer.

The problem is evidence. You can report any crime you want to the police, but they will not take action unless they find evidence. Same with the management of the BBC. Who are the management going to believe? A 14 year old they do not know, or a man that helped thousands if not millions of people through his various charity events. This is how Jimmy Savile appeared at the time. I know that I (and apparently a lot of viewers) found him a little creepy, but that is not a criminal offence.

I don't know what happened at those organisations and if there was any wrongdoing, I hope it is rooted out. I hope that they didn't find evidence and bury it, and I hope that if they did bury any evidence, action is taken against them.

It's easy to say now that the abuse was going on, and the police do seem to have found a lot of evidence, but this has all come out after the fact. This is why it's hindsight.

I am not defending abuse in any form, as I think all abuse is wrong.

It's worth remembering that it is likely that staff at the papers who are busy criticising the BBC, Baranardos and all the other organisations involved possibly knew it was happening at the time and did nothing as well.

danielf · 09-11-2012, 10:07

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Originally Posted by Stuart

I know that I (and apparently a lot of viewers) found him a little creepy, but that is not a criminal offence.

The weird thing is how he was, as some put it 'hiding in plain sight'. I remember seeing an episode of Jim 'll fix it in the early 90s when I was first in the UK. I hadn't seen Savile before that, so I didn't know anything about him. I immediately thought 'something is wrong here', and I asked a mate about him. My mate replied saying he was just an eccentric and a massive fund-raiser for charity. I though, oh, that's alright then, and kind of nice that someone's given the space to be eccentric.

Unfortunately, my initial reaction was justified, and something was wrong. Now, I'm not going to claim that it should have been obvious to all. It just seems to me that many people had seen so many of Savile's oddities, that things that set alarm bells ringing in someone who hadn't seen him before, seem perfectly fine to those who knew him. In hindsight, oddities that may have been carefully crafted to hide the real 'secrets'.

Derek · 09-11-2012, 17:02

Well Lord McAlpine has broken cover and denied any wrongdoing and will take legal action against those who have spread rumours against him.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20266118

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Lord McAlpine has "no choice" but to take legal action over claims of abuse at a north Wales children's home, the Conservative peer's solicitor has said.

Andrew Reid said claims linking the peer to alleged historical child abuse were "false and seriously defamatory".

Some people who should really know better, Sally Bercow springs to mind, should start getting worried.

denphone · 09-11-2012, 17:16

More in on this as the man has now said sorry over sex abuse error.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20269114

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A former resident of a north Wales care home has apologised after he made allegations of sexual abuse against a Thatcher-era senior Conservative politician, claiming it was a case of mistaken identity.

It comes as the solicitor for Tory peer Lord McAlpine threatened legal action against those who linked the peer to the historical child abuse.

Steve Messham, who appeared on Newsnight, said: "I want to offer my sincere and humble apologies to him and his family."

09-11-2012, 17:24

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Originally Posted by denphone

More in on this as the man has now said sorry over sex abuse error.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20269114

Oh dear ,one wonders how many more people will have their reputation tarnished by mistaken identity or Philip Schofield

denphone · 09-11-2012, 17:40

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Originally Posted by martyh

Oh dear ,one wonders how many more people will have their reputation tarnished by mistaken identity or Philip Schofield

Yes we need to show extreme caution before certain names get thrown around as even if they are not guilty the old saying is mud sticks and their reputation is then ruined for the rest of their lives.

Arthurgray50@blu · 09-11-2012, 18:22

I must be the only person who is defending Philip Schofield for what he did. What he did was brave and was needed. If David Cameron doesn't act on this info, then there is somethiong wrong with society.

I was abused for five years by ****, that should not walk this earth, yes l am bitter that all this has come up out by the disgusting JS saga. That child abuse has gone on for years, it happened to me at 13, l am now sixty, and l can still feel that breath of the guy - he has been dead for 15 years.

IF one person gets arrested over the Scofield saga, then it has been worth it.

Russ · 09-11-2012, 18:24

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I must be the only person who is defending Philip Schofield for what he did. What he did was brave and was needed.

Really? Even if the names on that list were of innocent people?

09-11-2012, 18:27

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I must be the only person who is defending Philip Schofield for what he did. What he did was brave and was needed. If David Cameron doesn't act on this info, then there is somethiong wrong with society.

I was abused for five years by ****, that should not walk this earth, yes l am bitter that all this has come up out by the disgusting JS saga. That child abuse has gone on for years, it happened to me at 13, l am now sixty, and l can still feel that breath of the guy - he has been dead for 15 years.

IF one person gets arrested over the Scofield saga, then it has been worth it.

It's not up to Cameron to do anything ,it's up to the police and if Schofield feels that the information he tried to show Cameron is worth anything then he should pass it onto the police not Cameron

**Chris** · 09-11-2012, 18:37

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I must be the only person who is defending Philip Schofield for what he did. What he did was brave and was needed. If David Cameron doesn't act on this info, then there is somethiong wrong with society.

I was abused for five years by ****, that should not walk this earth, yes l am bitter that all this has come up out by the disgusting JS saga. That child abuse has gone on for years, it happened to me at 13, l am now sixty, and l can still feel that breath of the guy - he has been dead for 15 years.

IF one person gets arrested over the Scofield saga, then it has been worth it.

Gee whizz Arthur, I knew you were a blind Tory hater but this takes some beating even for you.

Your pain is clouding your judgment. There is no excuse for other innocent people to suffer a witch hunt just because you suffered yourself.

Philip Schofield pulled a pathetic, sensationalist and extremely childish stunt that risks both the reputations of innocent people and also the prospects of a successful prosecution of offenders.

It is not up to the Prime Minister to go and "talk to" people who have been smeared on the Internet about child abuse (which is what Schofiled actually suggested he should do). It is up to any person who has evidence to go and talk to the police.

Arthurgray50@blu · 09-11-2012, 19:24

I will put it another way then, The names came from the internet, therefore named by other people.

All Schofield was doing was bring it to the surface, There must be people shaking in there boots at this revelation. There must be hubndreds if not thousands out there that are in this mould. Child abuse wont be stopped by the JS business, it will just go further underground.

What l think he was doing was by getting Mr Cameron bring out an enquiry into ways of stopping it, but you won't. People that abuse children/adults should be locked up and the key thrown away.