TiVo : Poor choice of Channels

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Henkesghost

Agree too. Falling too far behind with no sign of any fightback.

The only thing they are falling behind on is channels but that has always been the case. But I do agree something needs to be done. On all the other relevant things, in my view, VM are leading Sky.

VM have far better BB, and a far better set top box. Multiroom streaming will be here soon, a feature that sky have no equivalent of at the moment.

The ipad app will be out soon, which will be as good or better than the Sky version.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by passingbat

The only thing they are falling behind on is channels but that has always been the case. But I do agree something needs to be done. On all the other relevant things, in my view, VM are leading Sky.

VM have far better BB, and a far better set top box. Multiroom streaming will be here soon, a feature that sky have no equivalent of at the moment.

The ipad app will be out soon, which will be as good or better than the Sky version.

yes VM much better than sky on all things but number of channels only ones I really want from sky is the other sports HD ones but know sky never allow that grrrrrrrrrrrr at sky I for one would never ever go to sky

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by Top banana

Sky have the content for now, however the world changes very quickly in this space and the future may be a world where content providers choose to sell direct to customers via the internet, Tivo is perfect to deliver content in this way.

Two points

1. If content providers decide to sell content direct to the customers over the Internet why would anyone need a pay TV STB surely a cheap Roku , Boxee , PS3 , XBOX would do the same job and free from a monthly charge and accessible with whichever ISP you choose.

2. HBO in the US will not sell their content direct to the customer as they make far too much money from the cable/satellite companies.

Originally Posted by Top banana

Sky are concerned search BSKYB on the net and click news, they are talking about the threat from BT, if they lose the premiere league and movies they have nothing as they don't own any infrastructure. Virgin do and thats a massive assett.

That's not strictly true is it , Sky has its own network and has its own equipment in the BT exchanges , BT are however responsible for everything from the exchange I believe.
http://corporate.sky.com/investors/p...dc_for_easynet

Originally Posted by muppetman11

Two points

1. If content providers decide to sell content direct to the customers over the Internet why would anyone need a pay TV STB surely a cheap Roku , Boxee , PS3 , XBOX would do the same job and free from a monthly charge and accessible with whichever ISP you choose.

2. HBO in the US will not sell their content direct to the customer as they make far too much money from the cable/satellite companies.


That's not strictly true is it , Sky has its own network and has its own equipment in the BT exchanges , BT are however responsible for everything from the exchange I believe.

Tivo does not need a broadband connection or a phone line, that's the competative advantage. Sky does not have a full infrastructue of its own as its equipment is housed in bt premises.and pays bt a price for use of its infrastructre and easy net is a backbone network it does not feed out to bt cabs where sky customers connect too. Vm's is wholly owned by VM. So your point is no where near true.
http://corporate.sky.com/investors/p...dc_for_easynet

[muppetman11]

But your statement was that content providers will start to deliver their content direct to the customer over the Internet , if that's true why will any of us need a pay TV STB a simple subscription free Roku will do the job. How many Netflix subscribers access their content on a pay TV STB ? A very small percentage if any , they also use the service across a multitude of ISP's.

Originally Posted by muppetman11

But your statement was that content providers will start to deliver their content direct to the customer over the Internet , if that's true why will any of us need a pay TV STB a simple subscription free Roku will do the job. How many Netflix subscribers access their content on a pay TV STB ? A very small percentage if any , they also use the service across a multitude of ISP's.

My quote was maybe not will. Its a thought not a this will happen comment. All I am saying is that the world could change an as vm have the infrastructure. One thig I don't get with vm is why they don't puSh the fact that they are the only provider who can deliver tv and bb without the need for a phone line.

[Henkesghost]

Originally Posted by passingbat

The only thing they are falling behind on is channels but that has always been the case. But I do agree something needs to be done. On all the other relevant things, in my view, VM are leading Sky.

VM have far better BB, and a far better set top box. Multiroom streaming will be here soon, a feature that sky have no equivalent of at the moment.

The ipad app will be out soon, which will be as good or better than the Sky version.

So this is the tv thread. I say virgin are falling farther and farther behind in this department. So what is more relevant? I agree many other areas of Virgin's service is excellent, but tv for me is failing.

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by Top banana

My quote was maybe not will. Its a thought not a this will happen comment. All I am saying is that the world could change an as vm have the infrastructure. One thig I don't get with vm is why they don't puSh the fact that they are the only provider who can deliver tv and bb without the need for a phone line.

I'm in agreement with you that looking forward content delivered over the Internet will vastly increase , this is evident in numerous recent stories , BT Youview , Sky's investment in Roku and launch of NowTV , VM's launch of TIVO however I still feel that content is equally as important hence why BT are snapping it up left right and centre and Sky are upping their investment in homegrown content with a view to selling worldwide a point proved with its recent purchase of Parthenon , BSkyB and Parthenon Media Group have now confirmed their new distribution company will be named Sky Vision.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Top banana

My quote was maybe not will. Its a thought not a this will happen comment. All I am saying is that the world could change an as vm have the infrastructure. One thig I don't get with vm is why they don't puSh the fact that they are the only provider who can deliver tv and bb without the need for a phone line.

Now if they were to sell at the same cost as charged with a phone line ( minus that cost)

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

however I still feel that content is equally as important hence why BT are snapping it up left right and centre .

Exactly.

[andy_m]

Snapping up content left, right and centre? Or shooting the moon with a couple of high profile sports packages for a hell of a lot more money than Virgin have?

Lets be clear, this isn't about Virgin sitting on piles of cash, they simply aren't in a position to pay the sort of money that Bt have on sports rights or Sky have on producing new comedy and drama, and Living, Livingit and Challenge would never be enough leverage for Sky hd, red button services, Atlantic and billions of pounds worth of sports rights, plus futureproofing against new channel launches. They wouldn't be worth that now, let alone when Virgin owned them, and they're better now than they ever were then.

Originally Posted by muppetman11

I'm in agreement with you that looking forward content delivered over the Internet will vastly increase , this is evident in numerous recent stories , BT Youview , Sky's investment in Roku and launch of NowTV , VM's launch of TIVO however I still feel that content is equally as important hence why BT are snapping it up left right and centre and Sky are upping their investment in homegrown content with a view to selling worldwide a point proved with its recent purchase of Parthenon , BSkyB and Parthenon Media Group have now confirmed their new distribution company will be named Sky Vision.

That's the point, they are struggling to attract new tv customers so are jumping on the net solution, however if bt keep snapping at their heels for sport and win the next bid (and they did bid for all of the premier league rights so that shows their intent) Sky will not have a lot to offer so the whole model will have to change as they will wholesale sports from bt and make a pittance as VM do now.

Lots to think about I reckon, strange thing is VM seem to have no trouble attracting TV customers even though posters say they are falling behind, all rather strange

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by andy_m

or Sky have on producing new comedy and drama,.

Sky can keep that as far as I'm concerned. Maybe Sky could put all their own productions on Atlantic, and move all the US drama back from Atlantic to Sky One and Sky living. Then I wouldn't care two hoots that VM don't have Atlantic. Sounds like a plan to me.

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Originally Posted by Top banana

strange thing is VM seem to have no trouble attracting TV customers even though posters say they are falling behind, all rather strange

The power of Tivo? The adds are working?

Much as I moan about the lack of Atlantic, I'd rather have Tivo without Atlantic, than Atlantic with the Bronze age Sky box.

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by Top banana

That's the point, they are struggling to attract new tv customers so are jumping on the net solution, however if bt keep snapping at their heels for sport and win the next bid (and they did bid for all of the premier league rights so that shows their intent) Sky will not have a lot to offer so the whole model will have to change as they will wholesale sports from bt and make a pittance as VM do now.

Lots to think about I reckon, strange thing is VM seem to have no trouble attracting TV customers even though posters say they are falling behind, all rather strange

Care to post us these figures

[denphone]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

Care to post us these figures

l think you know by looking at all the related Virgin blogs that Virgin on the TiVo alone have attracted over a million new users and that just by itself tell you quite clearly where the momentum is on winning new TV subscribers.