30M Finally had enough of VM BS........... - Page 5

keepitretro · 01-09-2012, 17:20

Cab's quite a distance to be honest,

looks at least 300mts,

at this point i could not care less if i only get 25mb,

as l just want rid of VM!!!

qasdfdsaq · 03-09-2012, 17:42

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Originally Posted by keepitretro

Cab's quite a distance to be honest,

looks at least 300mts,

With vectoring on 30a you should be easily able to get about 150Mbps at 300M.

kwikbreaks · 03-09-2012, 21:15

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With vectoring on 30a you should be easily able to get about 150Mbps at 300M.

Except that isn't what's currently being used. From memory my estimate was 60Mbps and by chance I'm pretty much exactly 300m from the cab.

qasdfdsaq · 04-09-2012, 15:53

My line behaves like a 300m line and I get a theoretical max of 88-94, but an estimate of 53 as previously stated. Just sayin, when it eventually gets doubled upgraded his line will probably be able to keep up.

kwikbreaks · 04-09-2012, 17:39

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...when it eventually gets doubled upgraded...

VM will announce some more jam tomorrow which might just might start getting delivered a year or so after the announcement. My VM area doubling date is currently set for March-August 2013 - any bets on which end of that timescale it will be if they actually meet it at all.

keepitretro · 05-09-2012, 00:12

Measured with wheel 340 meters exactly!!!

Would 51mb be a bit optimistic?

Peter_ · 05-09-2012, 07:09

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Measured with wheel 340 meters exactly!!!

Would 51mb be a bit optimistic?

My cabinet is more than 400 metres away out of line of site and I never have any speed issues because unlike BT copper cabling distance does not matter.

kwikbreaks · 05-09-2012, 10:09

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Originally Posted by keepitretro

Measured with wheel 340 meters exactly!

The actual cable may not follow a direct line path. For instance I'm on the same side of the road as my cab but the drop cable comes in from a pole the other side of the road. From what I've seen most people get better than their estimates - probably BT deliberately give estimates that are low so they don't get complaints.

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My cabinet is more than 400 metres away out of line of site and I never have any speed issues because unlike BT copper cabling distance does not matter.

I think most people who move from VM to FTTC do so to reduce jitter and packet loss and increase upstream rather than worry about the top end Mbps which VM STM will crop off anyway after half an hour or less of full speed usage at most times people want to use their connections.

FTTC may still be cable length dependent but a lot less so than ADSL as the lengths are so much less. The rest of the technology seems to knock spots off VM cable at the moment as BT and Sky, unlike VM, don't seem to be running their network at insane utilisation rates at peak times.

qasdfdsaq · 05-09-2012, 11:14

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Originally Posted by kwikbreaks

VM will announce some more jam tomorrow which might just might start getting delivered a year or so after the announcement. My VM area doubling date is currently set for March-August 2013 - any bets on which end of that timescale it will be if they actually meet it at all.

Incidentally BT have been completely bang on time with their speed upgrades on FTTC so far.

Chrysalis · 05-09-2012, 14:45

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Originally Posted by kwikbreaks

The actual cable may not follow a direct line path. For instance I'm on the same side of the road as my cab but the drop cable comes in from a pole the other side of the road. From what I've seen most people get better than their estimates - probably BT deliberately give estimates that are low so they don't get complaints.

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I think most people who move from VM to FTTC do so to reduce jitter and packet loss and increase upstream rather than worry about the top end Mbps which VM STM will crop off anyway after half an hour or less of full speed usage at most times people want to use their connections.

FTTC may still be cable length dependent but a lot less so than ADSL as the lengths are so much less. The rest of the technology seems to knock spots off VM cable at the moment as BT and Sky, unlike VM, don't seem to be running their network at insane utilisation rates at peak times.

even off peak utilisation can be high on VM, a 100mbit customer on VMs forums is seeing congestion at 9.20am which VM staff have told him they see nothing wrong and I also see jitter at early hours of the day indicating utilisation is still high enough to cause jitter. My speeds are only now consistently fast after about 2-3am and before about midday. Other hours it varies too much and at weekends its more like 9am before speeds drop off.

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Incidentally BT have been completely bang on time with their speed upgrades on FTTC so far.

you sure? lots of situations where estimated live data is pushed back 3 months at a time multiple times. My own area has missed its original sept 2012 date and new estimated date is now dec 2012.

ethan103 · 05-09-2012, 16:10

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

even off peak utilisation can be high on VM, a 100mbit customer on VMs forums is seeing congestion at 9.20am which VM staff have told him they see nothing wrong and I also see jitter at early hours of the day indicating utilisation is still high enough to cause jitter. My speeds are only now consistently fast after about 2-3am and before about midday. Other hours it varies too much and at weekends its more like 9am before speeds drop off.

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you sure? lots of situations where estimated live data is pushed back 3 months at a time multiple times. My own area has missed its original sept 2012 date and new estimated date is now dec 2012.

I pretty much get full speeds all day everyday.

Ping is rick solid online too with 9-15ms ping on games like Cod and tf2.

The only issue is jitter which is normally 1-5ms.

kwikbreaks · 05-09-2012, 18:29

Yes cable can deliver but for many it simply doesn't. Mines fine right now but it has been poor in the past.

My main gripe with VM is the huge delay between announcing speed doubling and actually delivering it. For me it's no big deal as I bypassed the wait by upgrading to a speed doubled product but probably millions of existing customers are getting a worse deal than new customers as they are paying the same price but getting half the speed - or sometimes more if they've neglected to visit the car boot sale known as retentions internally recently.

I was going to leave VM for BT Infinity but Openreach CBA to actually turn up and do the install so I cancelled and upgraded with VM instead. If the poor performance I've seen before returns I'll give them another chance.

ethan103 · 05-09-2012, 18:43

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Originally Posted by kwikbreaks

Yes cable can deliver but for many it simply doesn't. Mines fine right now but it has been poor in the past.

My main gripe with VM is the huge delay between announcing speed doubling and actually delivering it. For me it's no big deal as I bypassed the wait by upgrading to a speed doubled product but probably millions of existing customers are getting a worse deal than new customers as they are paying the same price but getting half the speed - or sometimes more if they've neglected to visit the car boot sale known as retentions internally recently.

I was going to leave VM for BT Infinity but Openreach CBA to actually turn up and do the install so I cancelled and upgraded with VM instead. If the poor performance I've seen before returns I'll give them another chance.

For the many I'm sure it works, hence they millions of customers.

carlwaring · 05-09-2012, 19:45

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Originally Posted by ethan103

I pretty much get full speeds all day everyday.

Ping is rick solid online too with 9-15ms ping ...

Same here.

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The only issue is jitter which is normally 1-5ms.

Probably the same here too, but I never measure that

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Yes cable can deliver but for many it simply doesn't.

Care to put a figure on that? Last time I checked, official figures were that 66% of their customers were getting the headline speed.

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My main gripe with VM is the huge delay between announcing speed doubling and actually delivering it.

A fair point.

ethan103 · 05-09-2012, 21:24

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Same here.

Probably the same here too, but I never measure that

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Care to put a figure on that? Last time I checked, official figures were that 66% of their customers were getting the headline speed.

A fair point.

Pingtest.net is speedtests website for checking jitter which I'm sure you know.

Worth checking ad too pack jitter can degrade online gaming if that's what you do.

A good ping with higher jitter is no good.