TiVo : TiVo Update Coming! 13-24th August - Just got a message on my box

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Resistance is futile you will be assimilated and be one with his collective

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I check mine once a day

I check free space each time I delete a show, which is at least once a day. And I'm aware when I'm going to be recording a lot of hours of HD and take account of that, such as recently when the olympics were on and I was recording several 3 to 4 hour shows. It's just common sense, not rocket science.

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by passingbat

Why don't you do it your way and let other people do it their way, and you stop telling them that they should be doing it your way.

If I actually ever did that you might have a point

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Originally Posted by Sirius

I check mine once a day

Me too. More than that sometimes. Forever fiddling

[dwarfofpoison]

I am an early adopter of TiVo and since the first time I got it virtually all my recordings are set to "Keep Until I Delete". My English isn't that great but my understanding was that if there wasn't enough disk space TiVo wouldn't record anything (fare enough).

House keeping (coming from a V+ with a very limited hard drive) is just something I've grown used to doing, I went away for a couple of weeks feeling secure in the knowledge that everything recorded with KUID was safe. Imagine my shock when I returned to find that my box had reached 94% full (that's not the shock) but beside the KUID recordings was the hour glass symbol and the statement that "this episode will be deleted within 24 hours".

I then spent ages in My Shows going into the hour glass flagged recordings scrolling down to more options then redoing all the keep until I delete settings again, it took ages (I later saw a post from Carl where if you've created enough disk space all you need to do is reboot the box and all the hour glass symbols will disappear, would have saved me so much time).

This event has scared me is there no reason to use KUID? Since then I've never let the box reach over 85% again, deleting a lot of stuff that if I hadn't been so traumatised I would have kept I feel there's no real difference between KUID and KUSN apart from the time needed for TiVo to put on the frighteners.

I got involved in forum threads where the discussion was about keep until space needed recordings were being flagged with the above mentioned hour glass / deletion statement when there's plenty of disk space available. My input was "get a grip" it's hardly a fault more of a typo because items flagged for deletion were never deleted if you had disk space, how hard is it to make the recordings KUID if you don't like the symbol showing up. What I said then now seems to be way off the mark because logic apparently plays no part in TiVo thinking.

I have to be honest I don't think it's deleted anything that I've set to KUID but the earliest recording on my box is July 2011 and I would have thought there would have been something in the first 5 months I would have wanted to save but my memory's not the best (I wanted reminders). I certainly don't trust it as others may do and the US use of the English language is definitely different to mine.

Unfortunately I think that 15 years of developement without the firmware being completely rewritten and overhauled lends itself to machines having varying idiosyncrasies, as long as it's not terminal TiVo will still survive.

Nevertheless it's a great bit of kit that anyone would find it hard to take off me, the foibles I'm getting used to.

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by dwarfofpoison

Imagine my shock when I returned to find that my box had reached 94% full (that's not the shock) but beside the KUID recordings was the hour glass symbol and the statement that "this episode will be deleted within 24 hours".

Okay. Now that is weird. Of course that should not have happened as KUID is supposed to be just that!

...US use of the English language is definitely different to mine.

Sorry. Not with you on this. Please explain further.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by dwarfofpoison

I went away for a couple of weeks feeling secure in the knowledge that everything recorded with KUID was safe. Imagine my shock when I returned to find that my box had reached 94% full (that's not the shock) but beside the KUID recordings was the hour glass symbol and the statement that "this episode will be deleted within 24 hours".
.

Both my boxes went up to 100% full last year because I ended up in hospital at extreemly short notice and was in there for around 12 weeks. On getting home, there were no hour glass symbols and all my recorded shows were intact. It had obviously stopped recording after a while due to a full discs. But important recordings that I'd made before hand were still there because I always use KUID.

[dwarfofpoison]

At this very moment my box is 77% full I have a series link for Criminal Minds

Channel: 110 Sky Liv HD
Record: New only
Keep at most: All episodes
Keep until: Until I delete
Start recording: 1 minute early
Stop recording: 4 minutes longer

19 episodes have been recorded, there are no planned upcomming new episodes. The last six of these from 17/02 - 39/03 at this very moment are showing the hour glass symbol with This episode will be deleted within 24 hours.

I can't explain why it's marking them for deletion but the statement says "This episode will be deleted in 24 hours". If a big guy says they are going to punch me within 24 hours, I'll run to the hills. The statement is unambiguous!

So Keep until I delete doesn't fill me with the greatest amount of confidence! Maybe my box is faulty but the thought of loosing 18 months of Thumbing, series links and wishlists is a trauma I'll bare only if it does what it says it's going to do and start deleting things.

(these aren't the only programs marked for deletion!)

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by dwarfofpoison

I can't explain why it's marking them for deletion but the statement says "This episode will be deleted in 24 hours". If a big guy says they are going to punch me within 24 hours, I'll run to the hills. The statement is unambiguous!

As previously explained, it is also incorrect. It should read "...may be deleted...".

I have reported it a few times

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Originally Posted by dwarfofpoison

Maybe my box is faulty but the thought of loosing 18 months of Thumbing, series links and wishlists...

You will lose only the recordings.

[spiderplant]

Do you have the 15.3 software yet, dwarfofpoison? There have been bugs in the past related to it threatening to delete in error, so I won't worry about it if you are still on 15.2.

I've never known it actually delete when it shouldn't.

...US use of the English language is definitely different to mine.

It works both ways. I told TiVo it was showing the egg-timer in error. That really confused them

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by spiderplant

It works both ways. I told TiVo it was showing the egg-timer in error. That really confused them

I'm guessing they refer to it as the 'Hour Glass'

[dwarfofpoison]

Originally Posted by spiderplant

Do you have the 15.3 software yet

Yes spiderplant I'm on 15.3 but as I said it hasn't deleted anything that I consciously wanted to keep however I wouldn't swear on my life that any KUID recordings have gone. My understanding of TiVo is that if it deletes recordings they are permanently deleted and thus bypass the recently deleted folder (I'm sure I read that somewhere!) so with 1TB of recording memory there's little chance I can remember all that I've saved.

Am I the only one that gets the hour glass symbol on KUID recordings? (suggests a problem with my box) As I said earlier I know about the message that often gets applied to KUSN recordings but as Carl says it's been widely discussed and simply changing the word will to may would resolve that, they don't worry me at all

It's just worrying when the same warning gets applied to recordings made with KUID.

Originally Posted by carlwaring

You will lose only the recordings.

Carl are you saying if the box is exchanged they can transfer all your series links, wishlists and thumbs? Food for thought, the day they can transfer recordings I'm definitely up for changing. Having so much space is a double edged sword I had problems with 5 V+ boxes, changing them meant a day or two of watching recordings but it'll take weeks to get through everything on my TiVo.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by dwarfofpoison

Carl are you saying if the box is exchanged they can transfer all your series links, wishlists and thumbs? Food for thought, the day they can transfer recordings I'm definitely up for changing. Having so much space is a double edged sword I had problems with 5 V+ boxes, changing them meant a day or two of watching recordings but it'll take weeks to get through everything on my TiVo.

Whishlists, series links etc. will all be lost, along with recordings if you get a new box.

A way to back up series links and whishlists plus other settings is a very popular request to be included in a future update. I imagine VM enabling backups of your recordings is a whole different ball game and quite a long way off

You can back up your recordings yourself to a DVD or HDD recorder.

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

I'm guessing they refer to it as the 'Hour Glass'

Yep.

Originally Posted by dwarfofpoison

Yes spiderplant I'm on 15.3 but as I said it hasn't deleted anything that I consciously wanted to keep however I wouldn't swear on my life that any KUID recordings have gone. My understanding of TiVo is that if it deletes recordings they are permanently deleted and thus bypass the recently deleted folder (I'm sure I read that somewhere!) so with 1TB of recording memory there's little chance I can remember all that I've saved.

It would only actually delete any of your requested recordings if it had already emptied Recently Deleted and Suggestions, but still needed more space. I doubt it would really delete KUID recordings anyway.

Originally Posted by dwarfofpoison

Am I the only one that gets the hour glass symbol on KUID recordings? (suggests a problem with my box)

It certainly happened for other people on the 15.1 software. It was meant to be fixed in 15.2, but it seems there are still cases where it can happen. I'm sure it's a software bug rather than something specific to your box, so a swap wouldn't help. (Well, it would temporarily, but only because you'd have an empty hard drive).

I'll do some more testing of this.

Originally Posted by dwarfofpoison

Carl are you saying if the box is exchanged they can transfer all your series links, wishlists and thumbs?

No, they can't. In the US there is the ability to do this, but it isn't implemented for VM currently.

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by dwarfofpoison

Carl are you saying if the box is exchanged they can transfer all your series links, wishlists and thumbs?

No. I was referring to whatever the subject was in reply to this.

Originally Posted by dwarfofpoison

Maybe my box is faulty but the thought of loosing 18 months of Thumbing, series links and wishlists is a trauma I'll bare only if it does what it says it's going to do and start deleting things.

My point was that you wouldn't lose the thumbs settings, etc., only the recordings.

As pb said already, if your box is exchanged then you lose the lot. The ability to back-up settings would be brilliant.

Good that the green on demand button works again now, 15.2 seemed to just redirect to the 'By Channel' on demand menu.

[neilo]

Dwarfofpoison - I know you've probably thought of this and this isn't it, but I nearly lost a few episodes of Star Trek Voyager (I know, I know but it's Seven of Nine you see) which I thought they were all KUID, but some of them were KUSN because I only amended the series link to KUID after about ten programmes had recorded. I had to go back in individually on each recording and change them.