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spiderplant · 15-08-2012, 08:54

The problem with "keep until I delete" is it reserves space for all the planned recordings. I saw an extreme example recently where the user had about 60 series links, mostly daily programmes like Jeremy Kyle and Bargain Hunt, all set to KUID. The TiVo was refusing to accept any more recordings even though the drive was only 37% full.

Use KUID for the things that really matter, and let TiVo manage the space for everything else.

15-08-2012, 09:21

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Originally Posted by Risco

Anyone else get this? Apparently some exciting new features are coming. Apart from reminders, what other features could these be?

Did we ever get an answer? lol

passingbat · 15-08-2012, 09:35

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Originally Posted by andy_m

Whilst I think some of these implementations-only allowing a maximum of minutes padding, not being able to change the keep until setting-are clearly silly, I do think people should be prepared to try living with the current defaults for a while. If you've tried them and they don't work for you then fine, but if you haven't then try only setting express series links for a while. I genuinely think you'll be surprised at how clever TiVo is-for me the way it manages itself is it's best feature. I really think Virgin would have been better spending it's time and money educating it's customers on how best to use it's flagship product rather than develop add ons that were'nt in the original coding for over 10 years for a reason.

With the greatest of respect, I've been using PVRs of one kind or another for a lot of years now and Tivo for well over a year and I know how to get the best out of it for me, and that is not by using the current defaults.

harry_hitch · 15-08-2012, 09:45

Update completed in the PE27 area (area 31). On demand certainly seems a lot faster (don't know how quick sky anytime on skyhd+ box is to compare) currently enjoying the joys of ultimate shark month, cheers VM!

passingbat · 15-08-2012, 09:48

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Originally Posted by spiderplant

The problem with "keep until I delete" is it reserves space for all the planned recordings. I saw an extreme example recently where the user had about 60 series links, mostly daily programmes like Jeremy Kyle and Bargain Hunt, all set to KUID. The TiVo was refusing to accept any more recordings even though the drive was only 37% full.

Use KUID for the things that really matter, and let TiVo manage the space for everything else.

Nothing personal Spiderplant, but every recording I have set on Tivo since I got it has neen set with Keep until I delete. And I record a lot on Tivo. I have never had a problem.

Why limit user choice? Are VM treating all their customers as incompetent idiots? It appears that way to me given how the recording defaults have been implemented. VM messed up the first implementation of recording padding defaults; they had a chance to shine on their second go, and have messed it up again. I'm really annoyed with VM on this one, because for me, Express Series link remains completely useless.

carlwaring · 15-08-2012, 09:48

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Originally Posted by Perfect Choice

"keep until space needed" is just crazy.

Why?

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why do VM make things hard here as hardly anybody would want that type of approach.

99% of my recordings are set to that. With >50% space available and only me in the house I don't need to set anything to KUID as my Tivo has not auto-deleted anything, ever since I got it.

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Must prefer it to be Tivo says its cannot record when no space is left so vast majority of users would want the default to be "until I decide to delete" (or whatever Tivo says as the option, not near my box right now to check).

You are welcome to your opinon, but that's all it is.

johnasimmons · 15-08-2012, 09:49

TiVo update 15.3 now implimented in north London (NW1)

passingbat · 15-08-2012, 09:50

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Originally Posted by Perfect Choice

"keep until space needed" is just crazy, why do VM make things hard here as hardly anybody would want that type of approach. Much prefer it to be Tivo says its cannot record when no space is left so vast majority of users would want the default to be "until I decide to delete" (or whatever Tivo says as the option, not near my box right now to check). Tivo already alerts you when it does not have enough space, I've reached that limit once alreday. Don't like the idea Tivo can delete items by itself without me being aware, it should be my decision. Feel another "feature tweak" is required!

Spot on!

carlwaring · 15-08-2012, 09:50

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Originally Posted by passingbat

Why limit user choice?

They're not.

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Are VM treating all their customers as incompetent idiots?

No.

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I'm really annoyed with VM on this one, because for me, Express Series link remains completely useless.

Wow! Hyperbole much?

passingbat · 15-08-2012, 09:59

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Originally Posted by carlwaring

They're not.

No.

Wow! Hyperbole much?

Given that you can't changbe the Keep until option, they are limiting choice

And given that I don't use some of the defaults that are unchangeable in Express Series link, so don't use it, then in my book, it's completely useless

The clue is in the word 'use'.

carlwaring · 15-08-2012, 10:25

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Originally Posted by passingbat

Given that you can't changbe the Keep until option, they are limiting choice

You can change it. Maybe not by on the defaults, which I agree do seem to have been implemented badly, but you can change it if you want to.

andy_m · 15-08-2012, 10:34

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Originally Posted by passingbat

With the greatest of respect, I've been using PVRs of one kind or another for a lot of years now and Tivo for well over a year and I know how to get the best out of it for me, and that is not by using the current defaults.

Like I said in my post, "if they don't work for you then fine". However, I suspect that a lot of people are complaining about the way this has been implemented without having given it a go. I was furious when the last update gave us 1 and 4 padding, and went on and on on this forum about how ridiculous this was as a solution. I wish I'd tried it first-works perfectly for me.

passingbat · 15-08-2012, 10:41

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=carlwaring;35463370
You can change it. Maybe not by on the defaults,

But it's the defaults we are discussing

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Originally Posted by carlwaring

which I agree do seem to have been implemented badly,

I'm glad you agree on that

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Originally Posted by andy_m

Like I said in my post, "if they don't work for you then fine". However, I suspect that a lot of people are complaining about the way this has been implemented without having given it a go. I was furious when the last update gave us 1 and 4 padding, and went on and on on this forum about how ridiculous this was as a solution. I wish I'd tried it first-works perfectly for me.

There is no way I will set up any recording without the 'Keep until I delete' setting, so that rules out the defaults right from the get go.

carlwaring · 15-08-2012, 11:02

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Originally Posted by passingbat

There is no way I will set up any recording without the 'Keep until I delete' setting, so that rules out the defaults right from the get go.

I assume you're in a large family then, with a heavily-used, very-full Tivo and don't want your stuff deleting until you've had a chance to watch it.

Which is fair enough

spiderplant · 15-08-2012, 11:22

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Originally Posted by passingbat

every recording I have set on Tivo since I got it has neen set with Keep until I delete. And I record a lot on Tivo. I have never had a problem..

In that case you wouldn't have had a problem with "keep until space needed" either. The difference is only relevant when the disc becomes full.