HD : Is BT a threat to Virgin Media

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by Telly_

Sky have more tripple pay customers then Virignmedia that is a fact and its growing.

And BTW - 64.6% of Virgin Media customers take a triple package, in comparison 32% of Sky customers are on triple.

If this is true, and I have no reason to doubt it, then how can Telly's statement be a fact?

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Originally Posted by Telly_

1 company made £1.2billion profit with 11 million customers, the most sports rights and EPL rights all movies rights and a great future. The other company creates no content, has zero content rights and is £7billion is debt.

Apart from their thousands of hours of OnDemand content, you mean?

How much true OD does Sky have again?

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Telly_

Sky have more tripple pay customers then Virignmedia that is a fact and its growing.

Also you comment that investors prefer Virginmedia to Sky, With the greatest respect I have to disagree.

1 company made £1.2billion profit with 11 million customers, the most sports rights and EPL rights all movies rights and a great future. The other company creates no content, has zero content rights and is £7billion is debt.

Please never become a fund manager, this is not anti VM its factual.

Oh how wrong you are on everything the. VM have plenty of content right. How else could they have such a large VOD catalogue.

You may say they have more triple play customers but VM isn't available in as large an area so that would be totally different if VM had the same coverage area. But then VM have quad service customers as well

[Telly_]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Oh how wrong you are on everything the. VM have plenty of content right. How else could they have such a large VOD catalogue.

You may say they have more triple play customers but VM isn't available in as large an area so that would be totally different if VM had the same coverage area. But then VM have quad service customers as well

I'm not wrong, Sky have more tripple pay TV/BB/PHONE customers than Virginmedia thats just fact.

VM have more ondemand right now due to iPlayer,4ondemand,5ondemand, ITV Player.....All of which are coming to Sky this year, oh and they have Sky anytime but not Anytime+.

Someone should look into VM withholding access to its ondemand network its not competitive.

[Stephen]

I believe VM does have anytime but doesn't need the + as that's just the way Sky have two different services for the different content.

Also it's triple with one p. where are you getting the info for this fact?

[andy_m]

Sky have a higher number of triple play customers than Virgin. A higher proportion of Virgin's customers are on triple play so if Virgin were available in as many homes as Sky is it is probable that Virgin would have more triple play customers. Since Virgin isn't available in as many homes as Sky I'm not sure why anyone is surprised that Sky have more customers.

Originally Posted by Telly_

I'm not wrong, Sky have more tripple pay TV/BB/PHONE customers than Virginmedia thats just fact.

VM have more ondemand right now due to iPlayer,4ondemand,5ondemand, ITV Player.....All of which are coming to Sky this year, oh and they have Sky anytime but not Anytime+.

Someone should look into VM withholding access to its ondemand network its not competitive.

Don't you love it when people can't do basic maths. For the last time skys numbers are base on the fact that they have larger customers base

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Top banana

Don't you love it when people can't do basic maths. For the last time skys numbers are base on the fact that they have larger customers base

Exactly TB because as we know Virgin coverage of the country is only 52% so to have the amount of customers that it does shows how well it is doing in the overall scheme of things.

[Telly_]

Originally Posted by Top banana

Don't you love it when people can't do basic maths. For the last time skys numbers are base on the fact that they have larger customers base

God you're hard work, I'm saying sky have more triple pay customers than virginmedia. That's all, just like virgin have more quad pay customers as Sky don't offer a mobile service.

My math is fine but I'm not talking percentages I'm talking the total amount of triple pay customers. An Sky have the most and it's growing.

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by Telly_

VM have more ondemand right now due to iPlayer,4ondemand,5ondemand, ITV Player.....All of which are coming to Sky this year...

And, after that, VM will still have more OnDemand than Sky

[27monksbury]

BT and Virgin Media have to keep trading it is only with competition that there is any incentive to improve. The INTERNET for TV and radio seems the way to go. However, Sky's own channels, sport, Atlantic, and movies gives them a monopoly to set and fix prices. It's anticompetitive to withhold Sky Atlantic from Virgin, and charge for HD. Its preposterous for a company to say if you want a perfect picture instead of an inferior one you must pay more. In America there would be an anti trust court case. In the News of the world case, and in the Leveson enquire we saw the insidious undermining of our democracy by terrifying media power being used to swing elections in favor of one party or another. Who set Vince Cable up? Was it because he was against The bid for BSKYB? The one who replaced him was mired in controversy, with secret back door communications being alleged. Sky must not be allowed to snuff out competition. With their present track record would you trust them?

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by 27monksbury

Its preposterous for a company to say if you want a perfect picture instead of an inferior one you must pay more.

OMG! What the heck did HD snobs do before HD was invented?

Originally Posted by carlwaring

OMG! What the heck did HD snobs do before HD was invented?

Same thing people who listen to stereo sound did (did without) - doesn't mean mono was great, though.

I will watch HD versions in preference to SD (but will watch SD if that is the only version available), and only buy BluRay DVDs.

Preferring HD doesn't make one a snob - why settle for second best?

[heavyside]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Same thing people who listen to stereo sound did (did without) - doesn't mean mono was great, though.

I will watch HD versions in preference to SD (but will watch SD if that is the only version available), and only buy BluRay DVDs.

Preferring HD doesn't make one a snob - why settle for second best?

I'm old enough to remember when all TV was in black and white. Then along came colour. Nowadays, who watches black and white TV? It's the same with HD. Given the choice I'd rather watch in higher definition rather than lower as would just about everyone else. It's called evolution.

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Same thing people who listen to stereo sound did (did without) - doesn't mean mono was great, though.

But we didn't know any better. Just as with HD now.

Doesn't mean that SD is "inferior", just not quite as clear. Still perfectly watchable though.

I will watch HD versions in preference to SD (but will watch SD if that is the only version available)

Exactly. Me too.

and only buy BluRay DVDs.

Meh! I find BD too good it seems somehow fake. Yes, I know, that's just weird!

Preferring HD doesn't make one a snob - why settle for second best?

I prefer HD. I just don't think SD is "inferior" as we've managed with it since the 60s; or thereabouts.

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Originally Posted by heavyside

I'm old enough to remember when all TV was in black and white. Then along came colour. Nowadays, who watches black and white TV? It's the same with HD. Given the choice I'd rather watch in higher definition rather than lower as would just about everyone else. It's called evolution.

Absolutely. I just hate these people (though admittedly the OP does not seem to be one of them despite their poor choice of description) who insist they now won't watch anything unless it's in HD. (And there are one or two over on the DS Forums at least!)

[muppetman11]

Your not a sports fan that's for sure , I hate watching football in SD the PQ is vastly inferior to its HD counterpart , with 3 TV's in our house of 42" or larger trust me the difference is massive.