Riots

[Derek]

So it wasn't down to Duggan, who in no way was a criminal, had no criminal links, access to firearms and didn't throw away a gun when challenged by Police getting shot then?

They were just looking for any excuse.

[Osem]

Spot on!

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Derek

So it wasn't down to Duggan, who in no way was a criminal, had no criminal links, access to firearms and didn't throw away a gun when challenged by Police getting shot then?

They were just looking for any excuse.

Bang on the button.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

No, no........it was a
link So it was nothing to do with them being **** in the first place

The only thing that Grauniad "research" demonstrates is just how badly you can get suckered by observer bias without even realising it.

What a surprise, all the rioters have the same hand-wringing concerns as your average yoghurt-knitting, Graun-reading Hampstead liberal.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Chris

The only thing that Grauniad "research" demonstrates is just how badly you can get suckered by observer bias without even realising it.

.......and that some people can be so open minded that their brains fall out......

Well on Radio 4 according to one turned around teenager this morning it was the fault of teachers who didn't give one to one teaching in secondary school.

However he got the one to one when he went onto college.

Of course no mention of the time constraints on secondary teachers who will be teaching at least 21 classes out of 25 in a week on average and then rely on teaching extra sessions at the end of the day to help smaller groups of examination students to help catch-up.

Of course many lecturers at college have 2-3 classes in lower and upper years and therefore do have time to give to supporting poorer performing students..

[Osem]

It's always someone else's fault isn't it - far easier than taking responsibility for your own actions.

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well on Radio 4 according to one turned around teenager this morning it was the fault of teachers who didn't give one to one teaching in secondary school.

However he got the one to one when he went onto college.

Of course no mention of the time constraints on secondary teachers who will be teaching at least 21 classes out of 25 in a week on average and then rely on teaching extra sessions at the end of the day to help smaller groups of examination students to help catch-up.

Of course many lecturers at college have 2-3 classes in lower and upper years and therefore do have time to give to supporting poorer performing students..

What a load of absolute crap (not your post Maggie )I could blame loads of things and people for me not being a millionaire or at least not better off ,so could everyone ,as Osem said blaming someone else is the easy option and relying on someone else is even easier

[Stuart]

Just found an interesting tool that tracks the spread of twitter rumours in the riots.

[Derek]

Shock! Horror!

The completely innocent and in no way criminally connected man executed in cold blood by the Police sparking off the riots may have actually been carrying a loaded gun.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19635639

A loaded handgun was given to Mark Duggan 15 minutes before he was shot dead by police in Tottenham last year, a court has heard.

[Osem]

Quelle surprise!!!!

[Derek]

Funnily enough the Guardian don't seem to have reported it yet...

Is it really a surprise that people thought the police made a mistake? Public confidence in the police isn't especially high. The truth has come out, thankfully, and the police were right and the critics of the police were wrong. The sarcasm isn't warranted however because this was not obvious to many people.

[Osem]

Not for me! Perhaps those 'folks' for whom it wasn't 'obvious' ought to have reserved their actions and retribution until the facts were known. I dare say some of these people will, even now, insist this guy was set up, assassinated, the wholly innocent victim of a racist police state or whatever because that's a whole lot easier than looking at themselves and the way in which they choose to behave and live their lives.

---------- Post added at 18:29 ---------- Previous post was at 18:24 ----------

Originally Posted by Derek

Funnily enough the Guardian don't seem to have reported it yet...

Wonder why??

Originally Posted by Damien

Is it really a surprise that people thought the police made a mistake? Public confidence in the police isn't especially high.

It's called confirmation bias. People see the evidence they want to see - the evidence that confirms what they already believe to be true.