TiVo : So Long Tivo - Back to Sky - Close but no cigar!

[nstokes]

Originally Posted by Mr K

TiVo just doesn't seem to be going anywhere at the moment. There are several glitches. The biggest issue is the ongoing iPlayer fault (cutting off the end of programmes) and VM totally ignoring the issue/trying to blame the BBC. iPlayer is fine on other platforms.
Also there's the lack of progress on streaming between boxes. Seem to remember being told the VHD box would be getting TiVo software and being able to stream recordings to it- heard nothing for over a year. Development seems to have stopped dead.

Majority of people aren't interested in youtube, red button , gimmicky cr(apps) etc.They just want a tv box for tv with a fully functional tv/recording/catch up service. VM have taken their eye off the ball.

Streamed records will be in later in year i think and thats only if its tivo to tvio not to VHD or V+HD

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Majority of people aren't interested in youtube, red button , gimmicky cr(apps) etc.They just want a tv box for tv...

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I certainly agree with you.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Mr K

TiVo just doesn't seem to be going anywhere at the moment. There are several glitches. The biggest issue is the ongoing iPlayer fault (cutting off the end of programmes) and VM totally ignoring the issue/trying to blame the BBC. iPlayer is fine on other platforms.
Also there's the lack of progress on streaming between boxes. Seem to remember being told the VHD box would be getting TiVo software and being able to stream recordings to it- heard nothing for over a year. Development seems to have stopped dead.

Majority of people aren't interested in youtube, red button , gimmicky cr(apps) etc.They just want a tv box for tv with a fully functional tv/recording/catch up service. VM have taken their eye off the ball.

I also agree with most of this However would like the Red button to enhance TV shows ( One comes to mind - for me at least)

[DaMac]

Originally Posted by nstokes

Streamed records will be in later in year i think and thats only if its tivo to tvio not to VHD or V+HD

You Think or know? Everybody knows that the V+ can't take the TiVo software, but all the big noises on these forums originally said that the V HD could and would.

[karma mechanic]

Back when Tivo Commander worked I was completely satisfied with Tivo. Being able to tidy up recordings, search and set up new recordings during the boring parts of programmes while they are being watched was the killer app for me.

Then they deliberately broke it.

That alone makes me want to move back to Sky in a few months when my contract is up. Not because Sky offers more, but because I've had enough of the broken promises and the Tivo Commander slap in the face still hurts. If a comparable Android app is out this summer then I'll stay.

Can anyone give a definitive answer as to whether the Tivo soft/firmware can or will be implemented on the VHD? Given that they are both manufactured by Cisco it would be reasonable to think that this might be feasible.

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by karma mechanic

Being able to tidy up recordings, search and set up new recordings during the boring parts of programmes while they are being watched.

I wish they'd introduce that functionality via a web interface

Originally Posted by jempalmer

Can anyone give a definitive answer as to whether the Tivo soft/firmware can or will be implemented on the VHD? Given that they are both manufactured by Cisco it would be reasonable to think that this might be feasible.

Both; can and (eventually, at some as-yet un-known point in the future) will. This has been confirmed by VM themselves.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by karma mechanic

Back when Tivo Commander worked I was completely satisfied with Tivo. Being able to tidy up recordings, search and set up new recordings during the boring parts of programmes while they are being watched was the killer app for me.

Then they deliberately broke it.

That alone makes me want to move back to Sky in a few months when my contract is up. Not because Sky offers more, but because I've had enough of the broken promises and the Tivo Commander slap in the face still hurts. If a comparable Android app is out this summer then I'll stay.

Don't get me started on TiVo Commander. An excellent app which VM sabotaged and lied about the reasons why. They also had the cheek to call the sabotage an 'upgrade'. The fact they still don't have anything to replace it is a disgrace. They really do shoot themselves in the foot a lot which is why Sky will always be dominant.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Don't get me started on TiVo Commander. An excellent app which VM sabotaged and lied about the reasons why. They also had the cheek to call the sabotage an 'upgrade'. The fact they still don't have anything to replace it is a disgrace. They really do shoot themselves in the foot a lot which is why Sky will always be dominant.

Good afternoon Mr K and what a pleasant surprise to hear your views again.

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Don't get me started on TiVo Commander. An excellent app which VM sabotaged and lied about the reasons why. They also had the cheek to call the sabotage an 'upgrade'. The fact they still don't have anything to replace it is a disgrace. They really do shoot themselves in the foot a lot which is why Sky will always be dominant.

Of course, try making an un-official app for Apple and see how far you get*. Why should Tivo be any different?

(* And before the pedants start, I mean on a standard iDevice, not a jailbroken one.)

Oh, and how do you know they lied?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by carlwaring

Of course, try making an un-official app for Apple and see how far you get*. Why should Tivo be any different?

Actually there is an official android TiVo app available in the US with similar functionality to TiVo Commander. Probably take less than 10 mins of development time to make it available to VM UK customers, but that would be too easy.

Originally Posted by carlwaring

Oh, and how do you know they lied?

At first VM said that TiVo Commander not working was an unfortunate side effect of the 'upgrade' and totally unintentional. They'd work to to fix it in the next update (ha, ha !). Then they has to admit it was intentional and the main reason for the 'upgrade'. There was probably a commercial reason behind it which we'll never know (perhaps a deal with Apple to give them a monopoly, or them introducing a charge if they ever do launch an official app). Either that and/or incompetence, both are believable reasons with VM.

Rearrange these words for VM :- in a, manage, brewery, p*ss up, couldn't, a

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Actually there is an official android TiVo app available in the US with similar functionality to TiVo Commander. Probably take less than 10 mins of development time to make it available to VM UK customers, but that would be too easy.

Is that a "from experience" comment or a wild guess? There was an article somewhere on why the UK port of the iPad app has taken so long but I can't remember where I read it

At first VM said that TiVo Commander not working was an unfortunate side effect of the 'upgrade' and totally unintentional. They'd work to to fix it in the next update (ha, ha !). Then they has to admit it was intentional and the main reason for the 'upgrade'.

Fair enough; and now I think about it I seem to remember reading that somewhere at the time.

Sounds reasonable to me, though. I wouldn't want anything to possible break my Tivo

There was probably a commercial reason behind it which we'll never know..

So just more speculation then.

Given that software/firmware rewrites are quite complex and can lead to unanticipated consequences for the devices, is this not a circular argument? You fix one aspect and perhaps break another. There are certain shortcomings with regard to Tivo, although not for me unacceptable. Tivo works pretty well for us, I'm more concerned with the fix for the Superhub, different thread though.

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by jempalmer

Given that software/firmware rewrites are quite complex and can lead to unanticipated consequences for the devices, is this not a circular argument? You fix one aspect and perhaps break another.

I know that and you know that. Some others don't see to though

Although Carl, I for one would say (and hope that you would agree) that VM have been somewhat less than on top of their game in certain regards. No technology is perfect yet some companies try harder to resolve the problems. Tivo is not the pinnacle of pvr anymore that the Superhub is ideal. Nonetheless, they are trying.