100M : The Pirate Bay is blocked

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Claire Perry added that it was time for the internet to be regulated in the same way as television.

Classic. So because porn is viewable 'like on TV' it can be regulated just like TV. Just goes to show why these people should not even be in the same building as any discussion about the internet.

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... much of the blog’s content was lawful, and that many of the allegedly infringing links were given to the site’s owner by artists and labels themselves – including Kanye West, Diddy, and a vice president of a major record label.

Which just goes to show that this industry cannot be trusted and why governments and courts should stop listening and more worrying implementing their requests.

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TPB is currently calling itself, The Research Bay in collaboration with Lund University. If you can get to it whether you agree or not with filesharing do the questions. In fact it may be a good place for the anti-filesharing people to post their views and get heard seeing as so many on here believe filesharing = freetarding

Again, got to love the moving of the goalposts to support your position.

No one said file-sharing = freetarding (because some file-sharing is not copyright infringement).

Copyright infringement through file-sharing = freetarding - clear enough?

[_wtf_]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Again, got to love the moving of the goalposts to support your position.

I have just reread the 27 pages of this thread and would love for you to point out where I have moved the goal posts to support my position.

My position has been clear from the start and I don't need to move anything in support of it.

In fact, obviously. I would say I've put up quite a reasonable argument why any site shouldn't be blocked on the say so of the media industry. I've given examples of where the media industry have simply lied to get what they want. I have also pointed out that the CEO of the MPAA has publicly admitted to bribing US politicians and threatening them, here's a link

I have also pointed out that contrary to most peoples belief it is actually not illegal to lend a CD or DVD to a friend, that did get a bit confusing a one point. I've also pointed out that again contrary to most people's beliefs that it's quite possible that the law is going to be changed so that people can make back up copies of their CD's and DVD's.

I've also pointed out that even though the media industry, that have been proven to lie to the courts and governments of the countries around the globe, insist that piracy is killing their industry boxoffice records are still being broken even though almost every country in the world is in or coming out of recession (some tool will inevitably post that some country or other isn't in recession)

In none of this have I ever needed to move the goal posts.

Originally Posted by _wtf_

I have just reread the 27 pages of this thread and would love for you to point out where I have moved the goal posts to support my position.

My position has been clear from the start and I don't need to move anything in support of it.

In fact, obviously, I would say I've put up quite a reasonable argument why any site shouldn't be blocked on the say so of the media industry. I've given examples of where the media industry have simply lied to get what they want. I have also pointed out that the CEO of the MPAA has publicly admitted to bribing US politicians and threatening them, here's a link

I have also pointed out that contrary to most peoples belief it is actually not illegal to lend a CD or DVD to a friend, that did get a bit confusing a one point. I've also pointed out that again contrary to most people's beliefs that it's quite possible that the law is going to be changed so that people can make back up copies of their CD's and DVD's.

I've also pointed out that even though the media industry, that have been proven to lie to the courts and governments of the countries around the globe, insist that piracy is killing their industry boxoffice records are still being broken even though almost every country in the world is in or coming out of recession (some tool will inevitably post that some country or other isn't in recession)

In none of this have I ever needed to move the goal posts.

The goalpost relocation scenario was where you state that others have stated "filesharing = freetarding", when in fact they stated "filesharing of copyrighted material without permission of the copyright owners = freetarding".

Post #391, top of this page

so many on here believe filesharing = freetarding

Changing what people have said to what you think they meant to say, to support your proposition, is a little naughty.....

[cook1984]

Originally Posted by _wtf_

I have just reread the 27 pages of this thread and would love for you to point out where I have moved the goal posts to support my position.

PROTIP: Next time say "show me where I moved the goal posts" so that he has to read 27 pages of posts, saving you valuable time.

[_wtf_]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Again, got to love the moving of the goalposts to support your position.

Would suggest I've done it earlier.

That last paragraph of that post adds nothing to my argument I merely point people to a site where their views can be taken into account. I am not bothering to go through the lot again but there are enough remarks made for me to believe that some people who have replied do see it that way, e.g. post 295. Then had I been a moderator I would have pulled that post up as it could be construed as libellous

[cook1984]

Originally Posted by kwikbreaks

Even multiple HD streams don't require anything like 100Mbps. Peanut is spot on that the high end VM products are to a large extent taken to speed up high volume downloads be they full quality bluray rips, tatty not-worth-watching divx stuff or linux ISOs (which I doubt make up even 1% of the traffic).

Wow, people still don't get it. That may be true for a single user, but many households have more than one. If I want to watch iPlayer I don't want to to be choppy because someone else is using Google Drive/Dropbox, uploading some photos to Facebook or downloading something. You don't have to think "will this action elicit howls of pain from the lounge?", you just get on with what you are doing*.

I actually mentioned this back in 2004 when I used my friend's 100Mb connection in Japan. Back then you got 100Mb both ways (real fibre optic). There was even less stuff to max your connection out in 2004, but that wasn't the main attraction. Apparently no-one listens to me.

* In theory, VM's service is "up to" and limited so YMMV.

[_wtf_]

Originally Posted by cook1984

PROTIP: Next time say "show me where I moved the goal posts" so that he has to read 27 pages of posts, saving you valuable time.

LMAO

Sad I know but I actually wanted to read through it again.

[jimexbox]

Originally Posted by cook1984

Wow, people still don't get it. That may be true for a single user, but many households have more than one.

Exactly, my kids have a PC each, I have one and my freeview box has iPlayer which is used all the time. Its not uncommon for all 4 to be accessing the internet at the same time.

[rogerdraig]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Yet Avengers has made money, I wonder how many films have flopped purely due to piracy..

One thing that piracy is doing is putting smaller companies out of business and leaving the large companies who can license and make these popular blockbusters the only entities who can soak up any piracy based losses..

One ethos that has been lost with piracy these days is the old "If you like it then buy it" which in other words if you like a film on Xvid/MKV then go buy the DVD/BLURAY.. or if you life your downloaded game rip then go buy an original..

i would hazzard a guess at none

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by _wtf_

Classic. So because porn is viewable 'like on TV' it can be regulated just like TV.

No. I don't think that's what she meant at all.

Just goes to show why these people should not even be in the same building as any discussion about the internet.

That I can agree with, to a degree

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Originally Posted by Hugh

The goalpost relocation scenario.....

Are you a middle-manager by any chance, Hugh?

Originally Posted by _wtf_

Would suggest I've done it earlier.

That last paragraph of that post adds nothing to my argument I merely point people to a site where their views can be taken into account. I am not bothering to go through the lot again but there are enough remarks made for me to believe that some people who have replied do see it that way, e.g. post 295. Then had I been a moderator I would have pulled that post up as it could be construed as libellous

'earlier' would be in post #213 when someone made a comment about VPNs being used to avoid being caught downloading copyright material, you stated (quite accurately, but not relevant to his comment) that p2p could be used to legally distribute material - if it was legally shareable, why bother with a VPN?

As for Carl's comment, whilst slightly inappropriate, your interpretation differs from mine - I read it as copyright infringers (which is not something you have ever stated you have done, hence his post being inappropriate) not file-sharers....

btw, I agree that the business model needs reforming, but also, as stated previously, have strong views on copyright infringement.

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by Hugh

As for Carl's comment, whilst slightly inappropriate, your interpretation differs from mine - I read it as copyright infringers (which is not something you have ever stated you have done, hence his post being inappropriate) not file-sharers....

Which comment? You didn't quote it so I'm not sure. Happy to clarify or correct if necessary. Happy to apologise for any "inappropriate" comment if warranted

Originally Posted by carlwaring

Which comment? You didn't quote it so I'm not sure. Happy to clarify or correct if necessary. Happy to apologise for any "inappropriate" comment if warranted

You gave wtf as an example in post 295

Originally Posted by carlwaring

You might want to tell a few people on this forum (eg _wtf_) that

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Originally Posted by Hugh

'earlier' would be in post #213 when someone made a comment about VPNs being used to avoid being caught downloading copyright material, you stated (quite accurately, but not relevant to his comment) that p2p could be used to legally distribute material - if it was legally shareable, why bother with a VPN?

Again if you reread my posts you'll notice that at no time do I state that I use a VPN for file sharing in fact I make a point of saying that my file sharing activities are done via a UK VPS and that everything on there is 'legal'. Do you honestly think I would be stupid enough to use a server paid for with my credit card for illegal activities. And before you mention I may have set the server up to use a VPN service I will point out I have already mentioned my knowledge of Linux is not very good and though I'm guessing it could be done I really would not know where to start and now I've got it working the way I want wouldn't want to mess it up.

My reason for setting up a VPN server and messing with VPN in the first place, even though it is none of your business is for relatives and friends in the states to by pass UK geo-location locking. Again if you reread my posts you'll also notice I mention having a free month of the American Netflix service and that I mention using StrongVPN because without it you are not able to view it.

Honestly, if you think a VPN service can only be used for 'illegal' activities maybe you shouldn't be a moderator on an internet based forum.

As to the comment. That's the wonderful thing about forums when it suits you can use the interpretation excuse. Well a couple of people I've pointed it out have not taken your interpretation of it. I think it's the (e.g. _wtf_) that gives it that slight edge, don't you think?