100M : The Pirate Bay is blocked

[danielf]

Originally Posted by carlwaring

Then that's that. Can't afford it? Tough. It's no excuse. As an unemployed person, that's the motto I have to live by. Perhaps if others did too they wouldn't be in such a financial mess. (But that's a whole different thread )

(Though I do have a one-year free LOVEFILM subscription courtesy of something I bought recently )

I never said I approved did I? Just that it's fallacious to claim that every illegal download is a lost sale.

[AaronCooper]

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by AaronCooper

[Skie]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

We do seem to have wandered away from the topic.

Not really, the whole copyright debate can't be narrowed down to one site being blocked when you consider copyright was a state given (by the public) limited right that allowed the creators a short term in which they could exploit their works before then handing over these rights back to the public for the advancement of culture.

The whole idea was to encourage people to keep creating, not create a few hits then live off them for the rest of their lives. Sadly its been perverted by businessmen so that it is much longer and does not benefit the public at all. If the majority of stuff was owned by the artists it wouldnt be so bad, but most of it is owned by the recording industry who share paltry amounts.

[General Maximus]

Originally Posted by AaronCooper

you have hit the nail on the head and it is a shame the media dont show them for what hypocrites they are.

[Kymmy]

Yet Avengers has made money, I wonder how many films have flopped purely due to piracy..

One thing that piracy is doing is putting smaller companies out of business and leaving the large companies who can license and make these popular blockbusters the only entities who can soak up any piracy based losses..

One ethos that has been lost with piracy these days is the old "If you like it then buy it" which in other words if you like a film on Xvid/MKV then go buy the DVD/BLURAY.. or if you life your downloaded game rip then go buy an original..

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by AaronCooper

What about the rest of it's run and future DVD sales? If a load of people have already seen in pirated they're not going to buy it; equals lost sales, equals lost money.

Besides, what about every other film produced anywhere?

Oh, and whoever made that needs to learn to proof-read

As has been said before in this thread, one extreme example does not mean the argument is not valid.

1. Breaking the law (criminal or civil) is wrong.
2. Taking something that does not belong you to without payment is wrong.
3. NO excuse is a "good" excuse.

Well instead of ranting here why don't you all do something positive.Join one of the organisations that are doing something about getting the laws on Copyright sorted or the ones defending the freedom of the internet.

Endless round and round argu...discussions about it will never solve the issue.The only way is to put your point of view to your MP..

I know that will make Sirius choke..

[General Maximus]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

One ethos that has been lost with piracy these days is the old "If you like it then buy it" which in other words if you like a film on Xvid/MKV then go buy the DVD/BLURAY.. or if you life your downloaded game rip then go buy an original..

And that is exactly what I do. I am a bit of a sado and every January I watch all the trailers for the films I "might" like coming out this year and make a list of the ones which look amazing and which I want to see at the cinema and I go to watch them (even the re-release of Titanic which I have 2 copies of on dvd). There are some movies which I am not too sure about though and wont watch at the cinema (e.g Immortals) and I will download them when I can and if I like it then I will buy it on dvd. Having stuff on dvd isnt the same as having it on your pc. I have all 7 season of Buffy on dvd in what looks like a book which cost me £70 each and you cant buy them anymore. I have got a special collectors edition of Pearl Habour in a fold out card case which looks like a leather pouch and has got postcards from WW2 in it, a letter from President Roosevelt on the authentic burnt paper etc etc, the list goes on. If people love films that much they will pay for them.

Another good example is Armageddon. I bought the original 1 disc double-sided version when it first came out, then the 2 disc special edition and then the Criterion Edition (R1)

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Yet Avengers has made money, I wonder how many films have flopped purely due to piracy..

One thing that piracy is doing is putting smaller companies out of business and leaving the large companies who can license and make these popular blockbusters the only entities who can soak up any piracy based losses..

One ethos that has been lost with piracy these days is the old "If you like it then buy it" which in other words if you like a film on Xvid/MKV then go buy the DVD/BLURAY.. or if you life your downloaded game rip then go buy an original..

Right so you now thing downloaders pick on certian films? more then likely avengers had higher internet traffic than less popular films due to its success.

Try looking for a low budget unmarketed flick to download, it be harder to find.

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well instead of ranting here why don't you all do something positive.Join one of the organisations that are doing something about getting the laws on Copyright sorted or the ones defending the freedom of the internet.

Endless round and round argu...discussions about it will never solve the issue.The only way is to put your point of view to your MP..

I know that will make Sirius choke..

Or I can hand a few million notes over and my MP then kindly starts a motion to change the law? its how the movie companies work.

Originally Posted by General Maximus

And that is exactly what I do. I am a bit of a sado and every January I watch all the trailers for the films I "might" like coming out this year and make a list of the ones which look amazing and which I want to see at the cinema and I go to watch them (even the re-release of Titanic which I have 2 copies of on dvd). There are some movies which I am not too sure about though and wont watch at the cinema (e.g Immortals) and I will download them when I can and if I like it then I will buy it on dvd. Having stuff on dvd isnt the same as having it on your pc. I have all 7 season of Buffy on dvd in what looks like a book which cost me £70 each and you cant buy them anymore. I have got a special collectors edition of Pearl Habour in a fold out card case which looks like a leather pouch and has got postcards from WW2 in it, a letter from President Roosevelt on the authentic burnt paper etc etc, the list goes on. If people love films that much they will pay for them.

Another good example is Armageddon. I bought the original 1 disc double-sided version when it first came out, then the 2 disc special edition and then the Criterion Edition (R1)

Very true ,i have the complete set of sg1 dvd's collected over a couple of years via a magazine subscription ,but for viewing purposes i downloaded the exact same set onto my NAS drive ,i have about 70 DVD's aside from those and everysingle one has been backed up for viewing on my NAS via download .I know it is illegal but should the unlikely event of me ending up in court for copyright infringement happen i am willing to fight my corner because i haven't deprived anyone of any money

[_wtf_]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well instead of ranting here why don't you all do something positive.Join one of the organisations that are doing something about getting the laws on Copyright sorted or the ones defending the freedom of the internet.

Endless round and round argu...discussions about it will never solve the issue.The only way is to put your point of view to your MP..

Perhaps some of us have

Perhaps these DISCUSSIONS are actually making more people realise just how absurd the situation is, I've noticed a slight change in your attitude

Of course there are others who just don't seem to have a real grasp of any situation and basically follow any line they're given. Such people don't realise that some laws only exist if people obey them and when enough people don't they do get changed. Like the current plans I pointed out recently to actually make copying CD's and DVD's that you own legal.


Seeing as we're puffing out chests

Approx 900 CD's
Approx 750 DVD's
Approx 150 Cassettes (Seriously!)
Approx 500 Albums (Who remembers them?)

Ok, For completion 3 Blu-Rays.

I'd better add these are all legitimate copies even the cassettes LOL. It also kind of destroys any idea that I'm against the blocking of TPB because I want my 'stuff' for free.

[Pipster]

In the past 3 weeks I have downloaded .mkv blu ray rips of Quadrophenia, Trainspotting and Alien. All 3 I currently own on DVD. I done this simply to see what the blu ray conversion was like. Quadrophenia had poor reviews on amazon of grain and basically being a dvd transfer onto a blu ray disc (Which had of been would of been the film industry ripping off the consumer in my opinion), although the film, one of my all time favourites, isn't the best blu ray transfer it made my mind up to go and buy the original blu ray.

It's exactly the same with both Alien and Trainspotting. Before I buy any blu ray I will do exactly the same because no one can review it like yourself. All 3 of those films I have bought in the last week because I had downloaded the .mkv version.

I think Virgin Media have the right approach, although they are complying with the court order because they have too. They have gone on record to say that

As a responsible ISP, Virgin Media complies with court orders but we strongly believe that tackling the issue of copyright infringement needs compelling legal alternatives, giving consumers access to great content at the right price, to help change consumer behaviour,

[peanut]

It seems like you have a small portion of the argument here, from those saying you shouldn't download full stop, to those downloading what they think they should be able to. It looks like those that download everything there is simply won't join in this argument because there's nothing to argue about, they'll probably read this thread and scratch their heads in bewilderment..

I find it quite comical that when people try to justify having 100mb (for legitimate use that is), I'm sure there are a few people who could, but would be a minority (I could be wrong, but I doubt it). I think without piracy there wouldn't be a 100mb, would there be a need for even 50mb. If VM goes too far, messes with newsgroups etc, then I'm sure they'll lose too many customers. So all what happens is a token gesture that they are doing 'something' about it, but I can't see them doing much more than they need to.

I don't think there's anything to discuss about TPB here as VM is only acting on instruction, anyone can bypass it, and basically business resumes as normal.

[Pipster]

I don't know I like streaming HD Content from the iplayer, itvplayer on 4OD on my wired ps3's in both the bedroom and the living room without buffering. I also love the fact that itunes downloads an album in lightening fast times too. You could be right and 20mb or 30mb might suffice for that but I have seen a huge improvement since upgrading.