100M : The Pirate Bay is blocked

This is where the definition of 'public' becomes a problem. How do you define this?

Originally Posted by martyh

Indeed ,there is no such legal term as semi illegal ,There are only legal and illegal .What i do is illegal ,i make no bones about ,i do think the law is an ass and needs changing to bring it up to date and keep track with technology .What is the point of a law that is inefective

Well it's a toss up whether they change the law on copyright/pirating or introduce crappy laws on controlling the internet.

[_wtf_]

I took that as :

You cannot rent or lend a copy to the public.

Originally Posted by _wtf_

I took that as :

You cannot rent or lend a copy to the public.

All DVD's and CD's are copies ,does it mean i couldn't copy a film and then lend that copy of a copy to my pal or does it mean i cannot lend the copy i purchased from HMV to my pal

A copy (by definition) is something that has been created from the original source by software that is capable of so doing. There are countless software suites that can rip a dvd et.al. It doesn't make the copying any more legal or moral.

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by martyh

All DVD's and CD's are copies ,does it mean i couldn't copy a film and then lend that copy of a copy to my pal or does it mean i cannot lend the copy i purchased from HMV to my pal

You cannot copy any film; original or copy.

Originally Posted by jempalmer

A copy (by definition) is something that has been created from the original source by software that is capable of so doing. There are countless software suites that can rip a dvd et.al. It doesn't make the copying any more legal or moral.

exactly ,so the DVD i buy from HMV is a copy ,the difference with that copy and one downloaded and burned is that it has been copied with the rights holders permission.Blockbusters rent there's out with rights holders permission i have no such permission so if i lend my copy of Avatar to a neighbour technically i am breaking the law .Fortunately UK law allows for this type of thing in the fair usage clauses where incidentally i would be able to copy films/music provided that


The copy is made for the purposes of research or private study
The copy is made for non-commercial purposes
The source of the material is acknowledged
The person making the copy does not make copies of the material available for a number of people.

[_wtf_]

Originally Posted by martyh

All DVD's and CD's are copies ,does it mean i couldn't copy a film and then lend that copy of a copy to my pal or does it mean i cannot lend the copy i purchased from HMV to my pal

I really can't see you not being able to lend a legitimate CD/DVD don't forget this also applies to books and I doubt anyone would consider lending a book to be against copyright law.

Who'd want to be a copyright lawyer. Mind you I suppose once fully digested your good to go for a good few years.

Originally Posted by _wtf_

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I really can't see you not being able to lend a legitimate CD/DVD don't forget this also applies to books and I doubt anyone would consider lending a book to be against copyright law.

Who'd want to be a copyright lawyer. Mind you I suppose once fully digested your good to go for a good few years.

Libraries have certain excemptions ,don't forget that artists generally produce their work intended for public viewing and the fair use concept is supposed to ensure that the rights holders do not stifle free speech or news reporting .Copyright holders do not by any means have total control of their work

[_wtf_]

The renting and lending of things like DVDs, CDs, Books, etc, is covered by UK copyright law. You can find the consolidated text of this law here. Under this UK copyright law it is perfectly legal to lend your DVDs, CDs etc to your friends and family. This may be a surprise to you based on the warning messages that usually pop up when you play a DVD or Video. In fact "lending" is only considered as an infringement of copyright when it is done "through an establishment which is accessible to the public". What this basically means is that it is totally legal to lend to your circle of friends and family.

Source

© MoviesAtWork.co.uk 2004 - 2009

Guess it may not have worked out. Hope it wasn't because of copyright infringement

Originally Posted by _wtf_

More copyright law stupidity. How often have you walked down the street and lent a CD/DVD to a complete stranger?



Interesting, looking more like 'semi-illegal' is a legitimate term

Source

I think it's one of those laws that is well past it's usefullness and needs scrapping and re inventing to match modern times

[_wtf_]

I found a better source after you quoted me

I guess you don't have to walk down the street to lend to a perfect stranger after all.

[borrissey]

This is proabably finally the end of downloading movies, music etc.

Now I want Sky Atlantic even more...

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by borrissey

This is proabably finally the end of downloading movies, music etc.

Now I want Sky Atlantic even more...

My daughter has SKY so I have access to her SKYGO account, no need to download anything, except from SKYGO.

[AdamD]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

However is it ok to massage figures to get dodgy laws passed, eg. claiming every download is a lost sale, meaning someone on the dole who has downloaded £1000 woth of content in a week would have obviously otherwise brought that £1000 of content out of their dole?

Always wondered how the RIAA etc got away with claiming such figures.

I often wonder about radios, I mean, if I hear a song on a radio and record it, why or how is that any different to downloading it?

Do the record companies lose money by me recording a song from the radio? Doubtful

Given that radio is broadcast across the whole of the UK, that must mean milllllllllllions of pounds are being lost for every song, because potentially, everyone can "download" (record) it and never have to buy the CD!

(Yes I know they cut off the start/ending, but you can still get most of the song!)