cable & adsl/fttc line together

[babis3g]

Hi & hope i am posting in the right section

This post is not urgent because i have an other 14 days but i may need to get from the market some extra equipment

Was with TT fibre but moved to new property where FTTC was not available (ADSL it is)
TT cancelled the contract because they could not offer the same service so for the reason i wanted fast internet and most faster upload...joined VM which i am happy with the internet,phone & TV
Little extra jitter but ok for now because my PS3 is away at the moment

TT now have contact me at new property and offering a special loyalty service (after mentioned i got internet with VM and sky offering unlimited internet adsl for 22.50 but phone only evening & weekends) ...... with free adsl until fttc will arrive in about 2-3 months and there after 21 quids for unlimited calls any-time,... plus unlimited adsl internet
(if i want in the future, 10 pounds on top for the 40/2 and 15 for the 80/20)

i would like to keep the TT line, because has unlimited calls including free caller id & 08 numbers & i was very happy few months ago with it and especially with FTTC
if i can and is possible .. i will downgrade the VM phone line that i pay extra for caller id and 08 numbers plus the charge is 10 pence a minute while TT is 7 p a minute

I have some knowledge of electronics but never had 2 connections with one pc

So the reason i am posting is how can i have 2 connections in my main pc???

Do i have to manually disconnect and connect the ethernet cable of each provider or is there a switch can do that automatic?

so in summary what options have i got
1- wired (i prefer)

2-wirelles

i have in mind this one if helps
http://www.asus.com/Networks/Wireles...N66U/#overview

thanks in advance for your time
and once i posted the loyalty offer, comments are welcome

EDIT

old TT speed test to London server

http://speedtest.net/result/1794198217.png

http://www.pingtest.net/result/57594904.png

and here with TT from London to Australia with TT

http://speedtest.net/result/1794207084.png

http://www.pingtest.net/result/57595186.png

Current test with VM 100mb speed

to London server


to Aussie same server as TT


ping test

London with SH as router


Aussie


Not bab for VM but DNS server is set via pc network to BT if that matters

[MovedGoalPosts]

If I'm reading you right you will have two broadband services:
a Virgin Media Cable broadband service,
an ADSL broadband that will eventually be upgraded to a FTTC service

You can have two internet connections into one PC, but you will then need to find extra software that would enable that PC to act as a router. Doesn't help you either if you then have other things on a home network as you'd somehow need to connect those through your PC if they are to share resources.

You'll probably find it better to get a DUAL WAN router. These will allow you to connect the VM cable to one internet port, and the ADSL to the other. Then you have your home network all hanging off the LAN ports, or if you bought a wirless enabled dual wan router, the wireless of that router too. Such dual WAN routers should have capability to choose the preferred internet connection, failover if one goes down, etc. Our company is currently doing similar with a Draytek 2920 router and 50meg VM Business with 18ish meg ADSL2 services.

[babis3g]

thanks for fast reply
for respect to your fast post will end up with Draytek ... as i was about to get before a vigor 2750n but because i had to move house with no fttc this stopped me

i got in mind Draytek products as carrying good name and i have seen these 2
http://www.draytek.co.uk/products/vigor2920.html
http://www.draytek.co.uk/products/vigor2850.html

from what i understand this will support my VM connection for primary) plus ADSL as back up which is fine and perhaps will not get the FTTC as VM ( i have edit my post with tests) is FINE

So probably will do that and not give the extra 10 quids

my other question please is
Can i use FTTC when will be available for me as main connection and VM connection as back up? with one of these 2?

thanks again for your time

[MovedGoalPosts]

The 2850 appears to have the ADSL/VDSL modem integrated into the router. From the draytek link given it also suggests the maximum speed on VDSL (BT Infinity) is 50meg. I dunno though if that is based on the BT specs when the site was written, and their leter services weren't known about.

The 2920 which we use has the ADSL connected into WAN 1 and Virgin into WAN2. Oddly WAN 1 is only 10/100 ethernet speed, whilst WAN 2 is gigabit. To get ADSL we needed a separate ADSL modem, the Vigor 120 which is actually controlled from the 2920. VM's superhub was simply connected from one of it's LAN ethernets to the WAN ethernet of the 2920. It works and we can get 48Mbits + on the 50 Meg service. But then we also don't make use of wireless and that, especially if you need dual band, could be a factor against the 2920?

We started with the ADSL connection as our prime service, and then gradually VM became the faster speed available. I haven't changed any physical connections, simply some of the bandwidth and routing configs in the draytek control panels. All works fine so you should be able to easily swap your prime service ADSL/ Cable / FTTC as an when provided they support an ethernet connection from their modem to your router.

It's probably worth checking the comparison chart to see what options are best for you. The real risk is that speeds of broadband are starting to exceed the WAN side's of many routers

[babis3g]

as for the 10/100 ehternet port even if BT or VM offer 1000mbs speed the 100mb from VM i have is more than fine for me

i aslo dont really use dual band i prefer all devices to be wired apart the mobile phones of the family

i may contact Draytek direct
as long the TT adsl(modem mode) works at wan 1 and SH works (modem mode) at wan 2 and mainly can use the wan 2 as my main internet ...the 2920 is enough good for me

again thanks for your advise
will also look the chart you have provide me over the next 2 weeks before adsl comes live but once the wan 2 can be switched to work as main connection that is the one i need

[MovedGoalPosts]

All I've done in the 2920 configs is left the router's WAN general setup to autoweight (I haven't given it any line speeds leaving that to autodetect) between WAN #1 (ADSL) and WAN #2 (VM). In WAN > Load Balance Policy simply create a rule for "any" traffic to route to WAN #2 allowing fail over, and then everything uses the VM connection as a priority.

[babis3g]

Originally Posted by Rob

All I've done in the 2920 configs is left the router's WAN general setup to autoweight (I haven't given it any line speeds leaving that to autodetect) between WAN #1 (ADSL) and WAN #2 (VM). In WAN > Load Balance Policy simply create a rule for "any" traffic to route to WAN #2 allowing fail over, and then everything uses the VM connection as a priority.

thanks for confirm

Cudos to you for fast reply
it makes one think less in my mind

now all i have to think about internet is to find one in sale if possible and have it here as soon possible to use with SH in modem mode for now, till adsl go live

thanks thanks
best wishes

[MovedGoalPosts]

Business Broadband VM superhub doesn't even have a modem mode, so we're just linked from the Draytek to the superhub without any fiddling of stuff in it's config. Seems to work OK.

[babis3g]

thanks
i am looking for an offer the cheapest is here until now
http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop...ProductID=9328

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hmmm i am sure will end up with draytek but just looking & the option of the 2850n which saying supports cable connection and is ipv 6 ready plus monitor support & is dual band
http://www.draytek.co.uk/products/vigor2850.html

will decide hopefully soon before spent 200 quids

will give them a call tomorrow here
http://www.draytek.co.uk/contact.html

[qasdfdsaq]

I think Draytek products are massively overpriced and only worth it if you absolutely need it to perform those functions in a "supported" and "out of the box" manner.

What you're asking for can be done for free in software, both running on a computer or a router. In fact, it can be achieved on a £10 router with free software. However it does require some more time to set up, though still not more than half an hour to an hour, even for an inexperienced user.

Course, if you have the money, and need for it to "just work" then the Drayteks do really have a ton of good features. But if you're willing to "muck in" and do it yourself, the same can be achieved for less than 1/5th the cost.

[babis3g]

thanks for your replys

i prefer one of the vigor 2920n or the 2850n because of the ready extra fetuares plus they have antennas with the wifi which is welcome option

i am between these 2 but prefer the 2850n which got modem for adsl or vdsl but the reason have not decide yet is because i mailed draytek and they say the 2850n is not been tested with the new 80/20 speeds but up to 50 mb

will decide this weekend
thanks for helping

[dragon]

Tp-Link have some Load balancers/multi-wan routers that are very reasonably priced, but I've not tried them so don't know what the limits are in terms of throughput.

They're Wired only but it wouldn't cost much to get a wireless router and set it up to just be an access point.

http://uk.tp-link.com/products/?categoryid=227


RouterOS can also handle multiple Wan connections but it's a bit of a pain to setup, the lower end Routerboards might have trouble with the speed, My RB751 tends to top-out at 40Mbit/s when doing Nth packet routing down L2TP tunnels Not sure how much of that was the L2TP overhead though.

[babis3g]

Thanks "dragon" for the information
i have gone for the draytek 2850n & should be arriving in the mid of the week

draytek via email told me with the 2920n i may (not always) need and the extra vigor 120 modem(plus about £40-50) for adsl
they also say that the 2850n can go easy up to 80/20 speeds because it support vdsl profile up to 30a and firewall support up to 100mbs speed but is just not tested official (i wonder)

seen reply's for the 2850n in other topics forums it works good for them with infinity (adsl is my goal)
plus a VM user had left good review (using as just router not dual wan)

@ specs side has got some more intresting features on top of the 2920n
the 2850n has got modem build in for adsl or vdsl
wi-fi 2.4 & 5.8 Ghz (2920 only 2.4)
ready ipv6 (reviews saying not working properly at the moment)

broadband-buyer had the 2920 for &192
2850n from dabs for £203 with post (small difference between them so got it from dabs)

will post pics when it comes and start using it with VM in modem mode ... till adsl go live
thanks all involved for your infos

[babis3g]

hi guys the 2840n is here

i have connect the VM service just this for now with wan 2
after few rebbots it worked with SH at modem mode

maybe is busy my area but i am getting much less speeds than the SH in router mode

can any one tell me what i need to enable in the new router to take effect the broadband monitor??all i see is red
thanks

[babis3g]

i dont know guys....
with superhub i m getting 100-110 mb
with 2850n i am getting 60-100 if go up to 100 mb right now off peak time

wireless is not really better than the super hub

is any settings that can make the difference??
i have disable all Qos and enable all options to firewall

thinkbroadband does not respond to ping's but i guess is because the modem at modem mode

ping maybe little better but jitter the same

i have cat 6 all wiring
any expert with settings will appreciated
thanks

WAN >> General Setup

Load Balance Mode:
Setup
Index Enable Physical
Mode/Type Line Speed(Kbps)
DownLink/UpLink Active Mode
WAN1 - ADSL/- 0/0 Backup(WAN2)
WAN2
(Virgin Media) V Ethernet/Auto negotiation 0/0 Always On
WAN3 - USB/- 0/0 Always On

WAN >> Internet Access

Internet Access
Index Display Name Physical Mode Access Mode
WAN1 ADSL / VDSL
WAN2 Virgin Media Ethernet
WAN3 USB

WAN >> Internet Access

WAN 2
PPPoE Static or Dynamic IP PPTP/L2TP IPv6
Enable Disable
Dial Backup Mode
Keep WAN Connection
Enable PING to keep alive
PING to the IP
PING Interval minute(s)
WAN Connection Detection
Mode
Ping IP
TTL:
MTU (Max:1500)
RIP Protocol
Enable RIP
WAN IP Network Settings
Obtain an IP address automatically
Router Name *
Domain Name *
* : Required for some ISPs
Specify an IP address
IP Address
Subnet Mask
Gateway IP Address
Default MAC Address
Specify a MAC Address
MAC Address: · ·: · ·
DNS Server IP Address
Primary IP Address
Secondary IP Address

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with superhub in router mode


speed 107mb(lost the link)



Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.241.131]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 6 ms 8 ms 30 ms 10.68.216.1
2 15 ms 25 ms ┌────────────────────────────┐ork.virginmedia .net [81.9
7.255.21] │Enter char to copy up to: │
3 23 ms 7 ms └────────────────────────────┘twork.virginmedia.ne t [62
.30.250.33]
4 9 ms 33 ms 9 ms hari-core-2a-ae2-0.network.virginmedia.net [195.
182.178.165]
5 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms brnt-bb-1a-ae8-0.network.virginmedia.net [81.96.
16.201]
6 9 ms 9 ms 17 ms glfd-bb-1b-as1-0.network.virginmedia.net [212.43
.163.105]
7 10 ms 9 ms 9 ms glfd-tmr-1-ae5-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.10
5.159.46]
8 47 ms 11 ms 11 ms tcl5-ic-1-as0-0.network.virginmedia.net [62.253.
185.78]
9 29 ms 10 ms 13 ms 212.58.239.249
10 * * * Request timed out.
11 48 ms 13 ms 11 ms ae1.er01.rbsov.bbc.co.uk [132.185.254.46]
12 18 ms 11 ms 14 ms 132.185.255.134
13 34 ms 11 ms 11 ms 212.58.241.131

Trace complete.

with Draytek 2850n





Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\BABIS>tracert bbc.co.uk

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.241.131]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms my.router [192.168.1.1]
2 13 ms 7 ms 7 ms 10.68.216.1
3 18 ms 7 ms 15 ms camd-geam-1a-ge217.network.virginmedia.net [81.9
7.255.77]
4 38 ms 7 ms 19 ms hari-core-1a-tenge71.network.virginmedia.net [62
.30.250.33]
5 10 ms 7 ms 56 ms hari-core-2a-ae2-0.network.virginmedia.net [195.
182.178.165]
6 47 ms 94 ms 8 ms brnt-bb-1a-ae8-0.network.virginmedia.net [81.96.
16.201]
7 9 ms 15 ms 9 ms glfd-bb-1b-as1-0.network.virginmedia.net [212.43
.163.105]
8 12 ms 17 ms 10 ms glfd-tmr-1-ae5-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.10
5.159.46]
9 12 ms 11 ms 11 ms tcl5-ic-1-as0-0.network.virginmedia.net [62.253.
185.78]
10 12 ms 11 ms 11 ms 212.58.239.249
11 * * * Request timed out.
12 30 ms 12 ms 34 ms ae1.er01.rbsov.bbc.co.uk [132.185.254.46]
13 14 ms 28 ms 20 ms 132.185.255.134
14 21 ms 21 ms 13 ms bbc.co.uk [212.58.241.131]

Trace complete.

C:\Users\BABIS>tracert bbc.co.uk

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.241.131]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms my.router [192.168.1.1]
2 8 ms 7 ms 7 ms 10.68.216.1
3 31 ms 7 ms 7 ms camd-geam-1a-ge217.network.virginmedia.net [81.9
7.255.77]
4 25 ms 7 ms 7 ms hari-core-1a-tenge71.network.virginmedia.net [62
.30.250.33]
5 15 ms 7 ms 7 ms hari-core-2a-ae2-0.network.virginmedia.net [195.
182.178.165]
6 7 ms 9 ms 39 ms brnt-bb-1a-ae8-0.network.virginmedia.net [81.96.
16.201]
7 9 ms 19 ms 17 ms glfd-bb-1b-as1-0.network.virginmedia.net [212.43
.163.105] ┌────────────────────────────┐
8 15 ms 10 ms │Enter char to copy up to: │k.virginmedia.net [213.10
5.159.46] └────────────────────────────┘
9 11 ms 11 ms 47 ms tcl5-ic-1-as0-0.network.virginmedia.net [62.253.
185.78]
10 12 ms 11 ms 11 ms 212.58.239.249
11 * * * Request timed out.
12 36 ms 28 ms 22 ms ae1.er01.rbsov.bbc.co.uk [132.185.254.46]
13 13 ms 11 ms 31 ms 132.185.255.134
14 11 ms 25 ms 13 ms bbc.co.uk [212.58.241.131]

Trace complete.
speed lowest than superhub's router


i have send mail to draytek
it makes me think it really supports up to 50mb as stated at their web and seems is not wrong printing????