major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights

[Pierre]

This sectionof the forum is current affairs, not two weeks ago affairs.

Alan, please stop.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Pierre

This sectionof the forum is current affairs, not two weeks ago affairs.

Alan, please stop.

Well l think there is more chance of aliens appearing on earth then of that happening as Sir Spamalot still thinks he is appearing in the West End acting out his insidious and nefarious propaganda.

Topic, not personalities.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

I am a trade union member. But I can still see that the unions used to have far too much power, and used to bring the economy to it's knees.

We don't want a situation like we had in the 70's, and they still have in USA now. As it is almost like 'Carry On at Your Convenience'. And the unions who were supposed to be protecting the workers, were actually putting the companies out of business, and losing their members their jobs.

The claim that Trade Unions damaged our economy is wrong, they were a side effect of a disease, the reason our economy fell, was due to high energy prices, underinvestment, low quality standards, bad management, bad government policy, the industrial recovery of Japan and Mainland Europe and the decline of Britains empire and a decline of it power

As for the USA, are you seriously suggesting that unions have a power left, it is even worse there, nearly all retail companies (most of all Wal-Mart) are union-free, also American Car companies are undermined by union free Japanese Car plants, lastly if there was strong unions, why are there a lot of Occupy Movements there?

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Originally Posted by Sirius

I have just looked and you have bumped loads of threads today and spammed them, Shocking absolutely Shocking

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What will shock a lot of people on this forum is that i am now a paid up member of the CWU and intend to stay that way .

I realise now that the CWU are not the same bully boy union that the miners union was and the one i remember for what they did to members of my family back when the strike was at its height.

I agree with a lot of what the CWU are doing and feel i am best placed being a member in this present climate.

Did you have member of your family that worked as miners?

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

Did you have member of your family that worked as miners?

No i did not but i had a close member of my family accused of being a scab and also attacked physically even when he had nothing to do with the miners and had NO involvement with them or any of there members. It was a case of wrong person in the wrong place but the union never apologised for what they did and therefor i see them as **** for what they did.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Sirius

No i did not but i had a close member of my family accused of being a scab and also attacked physically even when he had nothing to do with the miners and had NO involvement with them or any of there members. It was a case of wrong person in the wrong place but the union never apologised for what they did and therefor i see them as **** for what they did.

That explains you political views, while I think the person who you were talking about did not deserve to suffer from them, there were a lot of people that were scabs that did not help they fellow miners (if I was a miner then, I would be joining the strike, even if I disagreed with them)

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

The claim that Trade Unions damaged our economy is wrong, ?

In your opinion ,stop stating opinion as fact unless you back it up with hard evidence.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

That explains you political views, while I think the person who you were talking about did not deserve to suffer from them, there were a lot of people that were scabs that did not help they fellow miners (if I was a miner then, I would be joining the strike, even if I disagreed with them)

However the fact that the union management for that area knew what had happened and admitted that my father was not a scab. Never did they offer any apology or offered to repair his car after it was attacked and severely damaged by those *******s.

And if someone does not want to be a member of a union what gives the union the right to then set there members on the non members ??

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Originally Posted by martyh

In your opinion ,stop stating opinion as fact unless you back it up with hard evidence.

Fry does not know what facts are unless they are based on his made up fantasies

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by martyh

In your opinion ,stop stating opinion as fact unless you back it up with hard evidence.

You and your friends do that anyway...

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

That explains you political views

And as usual your WRONG again

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Sirius

However the fact that the union management for that area knew what had happened and admitted that my father was not a scab. Never did they offer any apology or offered to repair his car after it was attacked and severely damaged by those *******s.

And if someone does not want to be a member of a union what gives the union the right to then set there members on the non members ??

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Fry does not know what facts are unless they are based on his made up fantasies

Well that is a act of wrong doing there

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

That explains you political views, while I think the person who you were talking about did not deserve to suffer from them, there were a lot of people that were scabs that did not help they fellow miners (if I was a miner then, I would be joining the strike, even if I disagreed with them)

My father was a miner right up to '96 (retired) all through the strike he kept on telling me that the strike was wrong and it would kill the mining industry .There was a lot of resentment in the staffordshire pits towards Scargill and his attitude that he should be able to bring a government down at the expense of the miners .Make no mistake that Scargill used the miners for his own political ends and to further the power trip he was on .Think about it Alan ,why do think there where so many strike breakers ?

[Osem]

Originally Posted by martyh

My father was a miner right up to '96 (retired) all through the strike he kept on telling me that the strike was wrong and it would kill the mining industry .There was a lot of resentment in the staffordshire pits towards Scargill and his attitude that he should be able to bring a government down at the expense of the miners .Make no mistake that Scargill used the miners for his own political ends and to further the power trip he was on .Think about it Alan ,why do think there where so many strike breakers ?

You are joking aren't you?

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

Well that is a act of wrong doing there

By who ?

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

there were a lot of people that were scabs that did not help they fellow miners (if I was a miner then, I would be joining the strike, even if I disagreed with them)

I then asked this

And if someone does not want to be a member of a union what gives the union the right to then set there members on the non members ??

Care to answer my question

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Originally Posted by martyh

My father was a miner right up to '96 (retired) all through the strike he kept on telling me that the strike was wrong and it would kill the mining industry .There was a lot of resentment in the staffordshire pits towards Scargill and his attitude that he should be able to bring a government down at the expense of the miners .Make no mistake that Scargill used the miners for his own political ends and to further the power trip he was on .Think about it Alan ,why do think there where so many strike breakers ?

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Originally Posted by Osem

You are joking aren't you?

It did make me chuckle

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by martyh

My father was a miner right up to '96 (retired) all through the strike he kept on telling me that the strike was wrong and it would kill the mining industry .There was a lot of resentment in the staffordshire pits towards Scargill and his attitude that he should be able to bring a government down at the expense of the miners .Make no mistake that Scargill used the miners for his own political ends and to further the power trip he was on .Think about it Alan ,why do think there where so many strike breakers ?

The Government started the whole thing by closing mines and putting 20,000 out of work, sure Scargill was trying to do another 1974, but there was good reason, I mean if you worked in a mine and you were told you would lose you job (without alternative employment) what would you have done?

As for why they were Strike breakers, maybe they had enough of strikes, maybe they needed to earn money (a year without pay can hit you hard) or maybe they knew they were facing a losing battle