Rowan Williams to warn of downgrading of religious education

Originally Posted by Mactire

At a guess..a good 500 million of our worlds population from the Judea religions believe in Santa Claus. Doesnt mean he exists.. or does he ?

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Statements like that don't do your argument any good

First two years in high school.. but I never chose the subject for the remainder of my education.. it bored me beyond belief.

I am not a religious man ,but i did do RE upto CSE grade 1 level and found it very fascinating and when linked to the same level of history it worked well and made a lot of sense ,and not once was i ever encouraged or asked to worship anything ,but as you say it is a matter of choice and for those who do choose it ,even more so in todays multicultural society ,i feel they have an advantage over those who don't

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Mactire

At a guess..a good 500 million of our worlds population from the Judea religions believe in Santa Claus. Doesnt mean he exists.. or does he ?

Changing the answer to suit your question? (Although I'm curious as to where you get your figures from.)

Let me remind you: you said you believe RE doesn't serve any function. That's fine and you're entitled to an opinion of course.

I replied that your view is probably in the minority, seeing as the majority of the planet claim to have some form of religion.

[Mactire]

I am not a religious man ,but i did do RE upto CSE grade 1 level and found it very fascinating and when linked to the same level of history it worked well and made a lot of sense ,and not once was i ever encouraged or asked to worship anything ,but as you say it is a matter of choice and for those who do choose it ,even more so in todays multicultural society ,i feel they have an advantage over those who don't[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by martyh

Statements like that don't do your argument any good

Well..the exact figure I dont know.. but Im sure theres plenty under 10's in the different Judea religious families round the world believe in Santa..so perhaps Im not as far out as you'd think

As for your main post..yes.. your right.. it SHOULD be a matter of choice.. but it isnt...

[Fawkes]

Russ, why do this. You had won the argument.
Mactire confused the validity of religion with the validity of religious education and you rightly called them on it. But then you had to play the numbers game, like being in the majority means anything. The majority of people used to believe the world was flat but that didn't make it so.
Learn to quit when you have won.

[Mactire]

Originally Posted by Russ

Changing the answer to suit your question? (Although I'm curious as to where you get your figures from.)

Let me remind you: you said you believe RE doesn't serve any function. That's fine and you're entitled to an opinion of course.

I replied that your view is probably in the minority, seeing as the majority of the planet claim to have some form of religion.

Judeafamilies having children...they brainwash them with Santa.. theres the figures

Originally Posted by Mactire

As for your main post..yes.. your right.. it SHOULD be a matter of choice.. but it isnt...

It's the same choice as for example taking geography ,it's a subject that has to be done up to a certain age and the reason is to give a good grounding to a childs education and allow them to form choices in their eucation and about the rest of their life

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Fawkes

Russ, why do this. You had won the argument.
Mactire confused the validity of religion with the validity of religious education and you rightly called them on it. But then you had to play the numbers game, like being in the majority means anything. The majority of people used to believe the world was flat but that didn't make it so.
Learn to quite when you have won.

I'm not playing any sort of numbers game. There are a number of individuals who want religion removed from parts of society for no reason other than they disagree with it. I can't stand the attitude of "I don't like it so ban it it". What I pointed out was I'm glad that most people don't have that view.

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Originally Posted by Mactire

Judeafamilies having children...they brainwash them with Santa.. theres the figures

So your source is anecdotal rather than factual?

[Mactire]

Originally Posted by martyh

It's the same choice as for example taking geography ,it's a subject that has to be done up to a certain age and the reason is to give a good grounding to a childs education and allow them to form choices in their eucation and about the rest of their life

I cant concur Marty.. this is 2012.. Religion belongs either in the history books.. or Churches. Not in schools. It serves no purpose as a subject..When did you last see a talking snake ? And dont say me ;P

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Originally Posted by Russ

I'm not playing any sort of numbers game. There are a number of individuals who want religion removed from parts of society for no reason other than they disagree with it. I can't stand the attitude of "I don't like it so ban it it". What I pointed out was I'm glad that most people don't have that view.

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So your source is anecdotal rather than factual?

Are you of age where as you taught your children Santa ?

[Russ]

Huh??

[Fawkes]

Originally Posted by Mactire

When did you last see a talking snake ?

When did you last see a dinosaur?

[Mactire]

Are you of age where as you have kids.. and taught them about Santa ? Its a simple question Russ...

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

When did you last see a dinosaur?

Margaret Thatcher.. probably about 1990 (ish)

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Mactire

Are you of age where as you have kids.. and taught them about Santa ? Its a simple question Russ...

Ah right, now I get it. Yes I do and yes I do. Although I'm not sure what this has to do with the OP.

Originally Posted by Mactire

I cant concur Marty.. this is 2012.. Religion belongs either in the history books.. or Churches. Not in schools. It serves no purpose as a subject..When did you last see a talking snake ? And dont say me ;P

Religion does not belong in schools (or government ) so it's a good job it isn't taught in schools isn't it .You are once again confusing religious worship and religious education ,not surprising since you didn't take the subject .Teaching about religion does not involve any kind of worship at all ,it merely gives one an insight into how religions work and how they effect world order .Yes i agree it is history of sorts and imo should be taught alongside a history course for the best results ,but religion is such a wide ranging subject as to be worthy of it's own lesson and specialist teachers

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Mactire

Chris.. I never took R.E in school .. I decided Home Economics was a better choice..I wouldnt have needed to take R.E to understand how not to aggravate a Muslim by burning their holy book.. its innate in me. A bit like I dont do to others that I wouldnt like done to me. I dont need taught this. But I did need taught how do a great steak dinner.. and being a great cook now.. Im glad I chose that path

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They dont in this threads poll vote

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Never

So, you actually have no idea what you are talking about?

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Originally Posted by Mactire

I cant concur Marty.. this is 2012.. Religion belongs either in the history books.. or Churches. Not in schools. It serves no purpose as a subject..When did you last see a talking snake ? And dont say me ;P

What has the snake got to do with it? No one (not even the religious people) is arguing in this thread that everyone should believe in God.. In fact you are doing exactly what you said they shouldn't by continually knocking the beliefs of others.

However, regardless of what you (or I) say, enough people believe in Religion that it's going to be a major force in the world long after every member of this forum is dead. Personally, I would have thought that any subject that could help you deal with around 90% of the planet on a level that shouldn't offend them is a good thing. I am happy for others to disagree, as long as they don't mind me questioning or disagreeing with their statements.

You seem to want to impose your views on everyone else, and when someone questions your views, you just reply with flippant comments.

Originally Posted by Stuart

So, you actually have no idea what you are talking about?

I think the case for RE in schools to remain has been proven