08-04-2012, 13:31
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Re: Rowan Williams to warn of downgrading of religious education
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If the pagan festival had also been named 'Christmas' then you'd have a point.
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i do have point your just not interested in it -any way happy chocolate bunny day 
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08-04-2012, 13:34
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Re: Rowan Williams to warn of downgrading of religious education
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i do have point your just not interested in it -any way happy chocolate bunny day |
It's not that I'm not interested - it's just not relevant. The Navitiy is based on the story of Christmas which is not a Pagan event.
If people want to celebrate the Pagan origins of 25th December then all the power to them. But that isn't what this thread is about.
On top of that, if Paganism is to be brought in to RE (if it isn't already) then I see no problem with that either.
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08-04-2012, 13:40
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Re: Rowan Williams to warn of downgrading of religious education
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As it tells the traditional story of Christmas I think it makes perfect sense to do it every year.
Even allowing someone's child to take part does not mean they are validating any religion's doctrine.
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But we are talking about RE in schools, I don't see why the nativity needs to be done every year. Teaching the same thing over and over starts to make it sound like indoctrination to me. Should we teach the same kids Diwali every year too?
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08-04-2012, 13:55
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Re: Rowan Williams to warn of downgrading of religious education
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But we are talking about RE in schools, I don't see why the nativity needs to be done every year. Teaching the same thing over and over starts to make it sound like indoctrination to me. Should we teach the same kids Diwali every year too?
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Around here they already do.
Surely it's only indoctrine if they teach "this is the only way it happens", of which there is no evidence of happening now?
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08-04-2012, 14:19
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Re: Rowan Williams to warn of downgrading of religious education
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Around here they already do.
Surely it's only indoctrine if they teach "this is the only way it happens", of which there is no evidence of happening now?
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What I mean is you don't go over the same subject material again and again. When I was at school we did algebra then moved on to trigonometry. We didn't do algebra year after year.
Putting on a school play teaches kids a broad range of things it's not just about the subject matter. But it doesn't have to be the nativity every year which is what you seem to be suggesting.
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08-04-2012, 14:34
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Re: Rowan Williams to warn of downgrading of religious education
The Navity isnt really about teach part of a syllabus though.
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08-04-2012, 14:34
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Re: Rowan Williams to warn of downgrading of religious education
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The role of religion and faith in history plus its effect and role in the world today would be too widespread for it to be applied to anything bar a subject of its own.
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Russ, I find it hard to believe that any of the above you stated from any Religion couldnt be explained separately in 15 minutes per Religion.
1 Its birth
2 How its affected the world
3 Fifteen minutes is too long.
4 We could add the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus belief to make up time.
Surely one day every month out a schools history lesson curriculum is more than generous to learn about Religion. Instead, we have it in its own subject making it appear more than something it actually is. And thats fairytales probably made up by not even basic educated teenagers (perhaps younger) thousands of years ago.. people who,s life expectancy was around 21 and thought the world was flat and thought a solar eclipse was a sign of a curse from "God" And not the fact that the moon got in the way of the Suns rays..
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Im not against religious people..I just believe they should keep it to themselves.
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08-04-2012, 14:36
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Re: Rowan Williams to warn of downgrading of religious education
If only you'd had a proper Religious Education, then you'd know how much more it is than that 
Once again, RE does equate to religious acceptance.
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08-04-2012, 14:42
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Re: Rowan Williams to warn of downgrading of religious education
Of which I have.. acceptance that is 
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08-04-2012, 14:48
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Re: Rowan Williams to warn of downgrading of religious education
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The Navity isnt really about teach part of a syllabus though.
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Skip it all together then, The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe is better written.
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08-04-2012, 15:06
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Re: Rowan Williams to warn of downgrading of religious education
Not sure it affects governments though..
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08-04-2012, 15:10
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Re: Rowan Williams to warn of downgrading of religious education
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Skip it all together then, The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe is better written.
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You do realise that the Narnia books are an allegory for Christianity, and that Aslan was written as a metaphor for Jesus?
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08-04-2012, 15:22
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Re: Rowan Williams to warn of downgrading of religious education
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You do realise that the Narnia books are an allegory for Christianity, and that Aslan was written as a metaphor for Jesus? |
thats it the wardrobe is going in the skip- grr ruddy jeebers gets every where
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08-04-2012, 15:27
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Re: Rowan Williams to warn of downgrading of religious education
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You do realise that the Narnia books are an allegory for Christianity, and that Aslan was written as a metaphor for Jesus? |
How anybody who's read all the books can fail to see that is beyond me 
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08-04-2012, 15:30
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Re: Rowan Williams to warn of downgrading of religious education
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You do realise that the Narnia books are an allegory for Christianity, and that Aslan was written as a metaphor for Jesus? |
Yes I know that. I didn't as a child but after years of the nativity I remember enjoying it much more.
EDIT: Like I said it's better written.
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