Ending housing benefit for under-25s? A policy with more holes than a sieve?

[mertle]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...efit-under-25s

Shocked nobody posted this but labour did similar idea few moons back upto 18. Can we seriously force youngster to stay home until 25. Especially if there poor job prospects would this prevent social mobility.

This shockinly bad surely wont see light day. I understand housing issue but to cut housing benefits from under 25 insane.

Like the article said you cant fit all in one basket leaves nothing to understand many reason why kids leave home.

Worry if it did get policy many would be left on the street. Sinister in me way try force housing boom bu another batch of mortages people cant afford.

Can they really expect young woman go home to family who abused her this could be one of many sensative dangers issues with this policy. Farther son who fought he walked out now has possible got new life for it. Just some examples we should not be blind that all under 25 single parents unemployed taking a house.

Which think the idea this stereo topic policy born from.

Whats people views any cableforum got under 25 offspring now living away getting housing benefit. Would you like them back home

Now one exaple there was good what happens parents downsized there home not got spare bedroom think few will sleeping on the couch.

It will be dropped if it was ever raised in the first place .The article fails to mention any reference to the source ,simply saying the governement,a good get out for some anti government propaganda

[Gary L]

Many under 25's leave home for reasons other than just growing up.

violence and abuse in the home being just 2 of them.

more reasons for the citizens of today to feel that they have nothing left to lose. and we are to pay the price in the very near future.

Originally Posted by Gary L

Many under 25's leave home for reasons other than just growing up.

violence and abuse in the home being just 2 of them.

more reasons for the citizens of today to feel that they have nothing left to lose. and we are to pay the price in the very near future.

If this piece of garbage ever did see the light of day what would happen to children in care who i believe are booted out into the big bad world at 18

[Taf]

IF the offspring manage to get a job whilst they are still at home, then any Housing Benefit for the parents will be affected.

Also despite ESA (IR) being an income based benefit, the same thing happens if your offspring, aged UNDER 25, start receiving it, whereas offspring (i.e non-dependants) who are 25 or OVER and are on IS, income-related ESA (IR) or JSA affect the family's Housing Benefit.

Less to pay out.... they don't do these things without any thought you know.

[mertle]

Originally Posted by martyh

It will be dropped if it was ever raised in the first place .The article fails to mention any reference to the source ,simply saying the governement,a good get out for some anti government propaganda

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...t-young-people

Article seems strange but clearly alot charities worried. Was this told of the record or deliberate attempt test water by whom Cameron another.

The proposal – which was floated by No 10 earlier this week but is yet to be developed into a concrete proposal – was announced just before a speech on Thursday in which David Cameron praised recent changes to the benefits system as "the most radical, long-term reform" in the UK for a generation.

Should mentioned it sorry.

GaryL this what my feelings we cant let it develop into policy.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by martyh

If this piece of garbage ever did see the light of day what would happen to children in care who i believe are booted out into the big bad world at 18

At least they could prove their situation. I know at age 20, I wouldn't easily have been able to prove that my parents were no longer around.

I think this may be intended to be aimed at unemployed people who are already living at home, but decide that they would like their own place funded by the taxpayer. How big an issue is this? It would be difficult and expensive to administer, as how do you disprove that they can't live with their parents? A similar abuse is where families on benefits decide for some strange reason to move to a very expensive area where the rents are £000s a month. Rules need to be focussed on the abuses of the system.

Originally Posted by nomadking

At least they could prove their situation. I know at age 20, I wouldn't easily have been able to prove that my parents were no longer around.

I think this may be intended to be aimed at unemployed people who are already living at home, but decide that they would like their own place funded by the taxpayer. How big an issue is this? It would be difficult and expensive to administer, as how do you disprove that they can't live with their parents? A similar abuse is where families on benefits decide for some strange reason to move to a very expensive area where the rents are £000s a month. Rules need to be focussed on the abuses of the system.

agreed

[mertle]

Originally Posted by nomadking

At least they could prove their situation. I know at age 20, I wouldn't easily have been able to prove that my parents were no longer around.

I think this may be intended to be aimed at unemployed people who are already living at home, but decide that they would like their own place funded by the taxpayer. How big an issue is this? It would be difficult and expensive to administer, as how do you disprove that they can't live with their parents? A similar abuse is where families on benefits decide for some strange reason to move to a very expensive area where the rents are £000s a month. Rules need to be focussed on the abuses of the system.

Indeed absolutely agree

On way I suppose one is if police have been to property at least would be some sort record. Some suffer in silence tend to flee finally as they find that help. Would think charities might know some.

It should be case by case but what about those who move away to find work but struggle or dont immediately get job cant even force them back home or on the street.

It seems under 25's maybe penalised for not expanding horizons would be penalised for not. Thats one my big fears it will prevent social mobility when we should be knocking down obsticles.

At the amount cuts we going we wont need raise taxes but just thought we need them for gov offices, MP's, unless they plan privatise them too.

[deadite66]

I think we'll have to get used to this and more, the golden age of the west is coming to an end with the rise of the 3rd world countries like China, India and Brazil.

Everything is going to increase in price, the luxuries we've gotten used to are going to to stop.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by deadite66

Everything is going to increase in price, the luxuries we've gotten used to are going to to stop.

We can stop it if we wanted to. it's just working out how far we can let Dave destroy us before we do something.

it's madness how one man can do all of this over a short period of time, and how we just moan and do nothing about anything because we're told that it needs to be done and it's what's best.

maybe we want to be like China. or we're a bit like religion is to God.

[deadite66]

we're nearly £600 Billion in debt and still borrowing, we are living on a house of cards.

[slowcoach]

Don't forget that inflation reduces the National Debt in real terms, in 25 years the government could pay it off with loose change. What matters today is the difference in what the government is paying in interest and what is left over from taxes after they have paid all the bills, currently this running in the red hence the term Deficit.

At other times it was balance of payments that was the No. 1 problem but since we became a Service Industry nation, importing everything, the balance of payments problem has become unsolvable and so it is just ignored.