[Update] Fuel tanker drivers vote to strike

You do realise that Charles Moores loathes the current Tory leadership, whom he regards as a bunch of soft liberal left-wingers, don't you?

He has given no provenance for this so-called information, yet you seem to be willing to accept it as gospel, whereas your normal regard for anything from sources like the Telegraph is usually total disdain.

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You do realise that Charles Moores loathes the current Tory leadership, whom he regards as a bunch of soft liberal left-wingers, don't you?

He has given no provenance for this so-called information, yet you seem to be willing to accept it as gospel, whereas your normal regard for anything from sources like the Telegraph is usually total disdain.

I dont know his political stance Hugh. If the allegations are true its then it horrendous act. Its clear there is a memo for sure. It seems there is factions in the camp who undermining things.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ma...-moment-tories

Spokesman replied

Number 10 described the claim as a matter for the Conservative party.
A Conservative party spokesman did not deny the existence of the memo and added: "The government has always been clear this is about doing everything possible to protect the country from a potentially crippling strike, and not about playing politics.
"We urge Unite to negotiate with the employers, and to make clear there will be no strike."

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

The good question is the fact that what people don't realise is that since there is NO TAKER DRIVER STRIKE at the moment, there has been a ballot for strike action.

BUT, since it was announced we have had advice from the TORY party on what to do, what has happened.

Queues at at garages, The Tories gave advice on what to do, by filling up jerry cans, and save what you can - we have now a woman seriously ill in hospital, the Fire Service gave advice on not to carry out out what the Tories have said.

What has happened, the Government has won, it has millions in fuel duty comes in and NOT ONE Tory has apologised for the ill advice.

Next thing we will have is Cigarette makers will go on strike, what will happen then, queue's at shops and supermarkets will run out - and the government will smile again with all that revenue coming in - That idiot has been playing games with the country, and again we are the loser's.

Nobody has won at all. A profit isn't made in a couple of days, it has to balance out. And when the strike (or not) is over, people will go back to diving as much as they usually do, and using up the fuel that they have stockpiled. And when it does all balance out the government and the oil companies will probably have made less money.

Originally Posted by mertle

I dont know his political stance Hugh. If the allegations are true its then it horrendous act. Its clear there is a memo for sure. It seems there is factions in the camp who undermining things.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ma...-moment-tories

Spokesman replied

Have you got yourself all worked up because the government may or may not be stockpiling fuel meaning that life can go on if Red Len calls a strike ,well good ,the last thing we need is the country held to ransom by idiot union leaders

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Every time i hear a Labour man saying bring back Labour i instead hear him say Look how nicely Labour crap on us and the country.

Memories are so short these days, I still hear Brown calling a voter a Bigget, I still see all those names of young men dead because Labour Lied so we could bomb little brown people with oil. Short memories indeed.

The truth is Sirius, we haven't got a political party capable of running this country properly. I think all MP's should be independent, then they could think forthemselves, and be voted in on their own policies.

Labour got us into a mess, and now between the Tories and the Liberals, they are making things worse.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

You do realise that Charles Moores loathes the current Tory leadership, whom he regards as a bunch of soft liberal left-wingers, don't you?

He has given no provenance for this so-called information, yet you seem to be willing to accept it as gospel, whereas your normal regard for anything from sources like the Telegraph is usually total disdain.

It seems that you won't have anything negative said about the government Hugh...open your eyes!!!

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Originally Posted by martyh

Have you got yourself all worked up because the government may or may not be stockpiling fuel meaning that life can go on if Red Len calls a strike ,well good ,the last thing we need is the country held to ransom by idiot union leaders

It would be one thing if the government were stockpiling fuel, but they aren't, and they got it very wrong by making extremely dangerous suggestions that the publick stockpile it instead.

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

It would be one thing if the government were stockpiling fuel, but they aren't, and they got it very wrong by making extremely dangerous suggestions that the publick stockpile it instead.

The government did not suggest that the public stockpile petrol ,one member of the government suggested it may be prudent to keep a jerrycan with some petrol handy which lets face it is what i would do

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Hugh

It was advice, not compulsory - funny how people refuse to follow other guidance, but feel the need to use the fact they were following this advice as an excuse for leaving their brains at home.

Common sense, people - try it, you might like it......

Well you see admitting you're a twit isn't easy. Far easier to blame someone else and possibly sue for compensation....

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Originally Posted by martyh

The government did not suggest that the public stockpile petrol ,one member of the government suggested it may be prudent to keep a jerrycan with some petrol handy which lets face it is what i would do

Yes, the facts of what was actually said do seem to have been rather exaggerated don't they. Can't think why...

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Osem

Well you see admitting you're a twit isn't easy. Far easier to blame someone else and possibly sue for compensation....

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Yes, the facts of what was actually said do seem to have been rather exaggerated don't they. Can't think why...

I hope you aint calling me. When people start name calling its time to shut thread. It will be last time post in this thread as pettyness childish behavior getting stupid.


If read my POSTS few back I NEVER GOT FUEL. MY car got FUEL 2 weeks back it was £12 and it wont Get fuel for bit its 3/4 full. If the strike happen I would not took it to get fuel why wait ages. I said those who did so when they did not need too was FOOLS. Those who filled full plus jerrycans who did not need to do so was also Greedy.

It seems by this leak IF TRUE the government engineered it , if this is true it changes things. Not refering maude jerrycan gaff its about cameron top up tank to get car drivers to store it in the tanks. Think this was the aim maude took the inititive too far with storage.

As for the strike by drivers will say this. I only support the tanker drivers if ITS safety issue ONLY A SAFETY ISSUE. IF AINT THEY WONT GET MY SUPPORT.

Originally Posted by mertle

I hope you aint calling me. When people start name calling its time to shut thread. It will be last time post in this thread as pettyness childish behavior getting stupid.


If read my POSTS few back I NEVER GOT FUEL. MY car got FUEL 2 weeks back it was £12 and it wont Get fuel for bit its 3/4 full. If the strike happen I would not took it to get fuel why wait ages. I said those who did so when they did not need too was FOOLS. Those who filled full plus jerrycans who did not need to do so was also Greedy.

It seems by this leak IF TRUE the government engineered it , if this is true it changes things. Not refering maude jerrycan gaff its about cameron top up tank to get car drivers to store it in the tanks. Think this was the aim maude took the inititive too far with storage.

As for the strike by drivers will say this. I only support the tanker drivers if ITS safety issue ONLY A SAFETY ISSUE. IF AINT THEY WONT GET MY SUPPORT.

I don't think Osem was calling you a twit just the people who blindly do what they are told without thinking and then try to blame everyone but themselves ......however if the shoe fits

[mertle]

Originally Posted by martyh

I don't think Osem was calling you a twit just the people who blindly do what they are told without thinking and then try to blame everyone but themselves ......however if the shoe fits

ok just get but techy it seemed the way it was posted.

Actually agree people was lacking common sense following like sheep. Shows how bad society become. We need to re-educate folk. Wonder if its for years there been air of selfishness. That what we saw it became light bulb. We told to do this so blindly followed it.

Joke here
maybe the labour government sneeked some micro chip when serving government tells you do something we do it LOL. Maybe mine malfunctioning

SORRY OSEM if miss understood your post.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by mertle

As for the strike by drivers will say this. I only support the tanker drivers if ITS safety issue ONLY A SAFETY ISSUE. IF AINT THEY WONT GET MY SUPPORT.

The ONLY outcome i am expecting is a PAY RISE nothing else mark my words

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

It seems that you won't have anything negative said about the government Hugh...open your eyes!.

My eyes are wide open, Tim.

Happy to accept fact based critique, but not polemic or diatribe.

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by martyh

The government did not suggest that the public stockpile petrol ,one member of the government suggested it may be prudent to keep a jerrycan with some petrol handy which lets face it is what i would do

That one member of the government was representing the government. And telling people to fill jerry cans is telling them to keep spare fuel in stock (stockpiling). It was irresponsible to give that advice. And as I said earlier, those who don't know what they are talking about should leave it to the experts.

I imagine you would have a different attitude if it had been a member of the previous government.

This isn't a party political issue. It is one of irresponsibility, by someone representing the government, who should know better than to give out dangerous advice.

If you are saying that you would take his advice, then I'm advising you as a member of the fire service to ignore his advice on the grounds of safety.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

My eyes are wide open, Tim.

Happy to accept fact based critique, but not polemic or diatribe.

Well look at the facts then!!

What facts would those be, Tim?

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

That one member of the government was representing the government. And telling people to fill jerry cans is telling them to keep spare fuel in stock (stockpiling). It was irresponsible to give that advice. And as I said earlier, those who don't know what they are talking about should leave it to the experts.

I imagine you would have a different attitude if it had been a member of the previous government.

This isn't a party political issue. It is one of irresponsibility, by someone representing the government, who should know better than to give out dangerous advice.

If you are saying that you would take his advice, then I'm advising you as a member of the fire service to ignore his advice on the grounds of safety.

This is what Maude said “As and when it makes sense, a bit of extra fuel in a jerry can is a sensible precaution to take.� That is most definately not telling people to stockpile fuel in their garages .The fact that some people interpreted it to mean ,keep gallons of fuel in containers and decant into glass jugs next to a naked flame is not the governments fault .The only blame that can be placed on the government is not legislating for idiots .If people want to keep a spare gallon in their garage then they can do quite safely as many people already do ,(we are not all idiots despite what the fire service may think)they can put it next to the paint thinners,oil based paint and petrol for the lawn mower that alot of people already have in their garages .