[Update] Fuel tanker drivers vote to strike - Page 12

30-03-2012, 16:17

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

The thing is that many people think that a flame or spark has to come into contact with the petrol, and don't realise that it is the vapours that ignite. So for all we know, she could have been decanting the petrol a few feet away from the cooker, and assumed it was safe.

Making excuses for idiots like her is the problem .Some people are so used to the government telling them what to do they have forgotten how to think for themselves .I'll bet the stupid bint tries to sue the government for suggesting that it is a good idea to keep petrol in a jerrycan

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Originally Posted by chris9991

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17564277

Would this mean that the drivers will earn more money and will the longer hours be less safe?

If so surely those who voted for a stirke couldn't consciously work these longer hours, as the dispute is all about safety?

They can't work too many extra hours anyway due to HGV driving regulations so all that will happen is more agency workers will bought in with the required certification .Which by the way is one of the reasons why they want to strike ,apparently the certification required ,although exactly the same for agency,self employed and employed drivers is not good enough for agency staff,anyone else remember the last time a tanker blew up or a garage forcourt exploded because i can't remember a single occasion

Taf · 30-03-2012, 16:32

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Originally Posted by chris9991

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17564277

Would this mean that the drivers will earn more money and will the longer hours be less safe?

If so surely those who voted for a stirke couldn't consciously work these longer hours, as the dispute is all about safety?

Health and Safety out the window when "need arises"... just the sort of thing the drivers are against AFAIK.

They should refuse to do the extra hours... I would.

30-03-2012, 16:36

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Originally Posted by Taf

Health and Safety out the window when "need arises"... just the sort of thing the drivers are against AFAIK.

They should refuse to do the extra hours... I would.

Quite agree

mertle · 30-03-2012, 16:40

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Originally Posted by martyh

Making excuses for idiots like her is the problem .Some people are so used to the government telling them what to do they have forgotten how to think for themselves .I'll bet the stupid bint tries to sue the government for suggesting that it is a good idea to keep petrol in a jerrycan

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They can't work too many extra hours anyway due to HGV driving regulations so all that will happen is more agency workers will bought in with the required certification .Which by the way is one of the reasons why they want to strike ,apparently the certification required ,although exactly the same for agency,self employed and employed drivers is not good enough for agency staff,anyone else remember the last time a tanker blew up or a garage forcourt exploded because i can't remember a single occasion

I can only assume there ignoring the takagraph restriction.

Why dont the governemnt get those army lads they tell us they trained.

Now bit two minds on the issue one they literally lugging 40,000 petrol behind there cab once tiredness kicks in could be very dangerous.

They do get break at the refineries but at the destination they got lug pipes fit them discharge the fuel to correct tank. Tiredness here could loosely could make mistakes. Who picks the tab up on those fill up unleaded only get diesel.

Will the government pay for the damaged cars.

Its definate food for thought on this move do we want tired tanker drivers.

Lets not forget it will likely fourth or fifth day as issue goes further down.

Actually would the mmove actually increase the likelyhood strike going ahead as driver refuse to go beyond hours of safety.

Wonder if actually move is government calling driver bluff.

Go ahead it aint about safety all about extra money. Refuse they then left no doubt tanker drivers are concerned.

TheDaddy · 30-03-2012, 16:42

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Originally Posted by Chris

It's not extra money Arthur, people will still use the fuel up at the same rate they normally do, it will just be longer before they need to buy any more.

Possibly but there alre plenty that spent large portions of the night driving round aimlessly looking for a petrol station with fuel. It got quite emotional last night at my local garage, people were filling up...

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Originally Posted by Taf

Some bloke was chased by several police cars after he "keyed" several vehicles that were in a half mile queue for petrol near to us... tempers are rising it seems.

They even called out the police helicopter!

Good to see the Police have fuel to burn...

**Hugh** · 30-03-2012, 16:49

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Originally Posted by mertle

I can only assume there ignoring the takagraph restriction.

Why dont the governemnt get those army lads they tell us they trained.

Now bit two minds on the issue one they literally lugging 40,000 petrol behind there cab once tiredness kicks in could be very dangerous.

They do get break at the refineries but at the destination they got lug pipes fit them discharge the fuel to correct tank. Tiredness here could loosely could make mistakes. Who picks the tab up on those fill up unleaded only get diesel.

Will the government pay for the damaged cars.

Its definate food for thought on this move do we want tired tanker drivers.

Lets not forget it will likely fourth or fifth day as issue goes further down.

Actually would the mmove actually increase the likelyhood strike going ahead as driver refuse to go beyond hours of safety.

Wonder if actually move is government calling driver bluff.

Go ahead it aint about safety all about extra money. Refuse they then left no doubt tanker drivers are concerned.

Love the way you start off with an unsubstantiated hypothesis, and then extrapolate wildly from that, whether or not it has any basis in fact.

You sure you're not a politician?

30-03-2012, 17:01

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Originally Posted by mertle

I can only assume there ignoring the takagraph restriction.

Why the hell would you assume that ,all that will happen is extra drivers from agencies will be bought it when the staff drivers run out of hours

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Love the way you start off with an unsubstantiated hypothesis, and then extrapolate wildly from that, whether or not it has any basis in fact.

You sure you're not a politician?

The inside of his head must be like a Rude Goldberg Machine

Tim Deegan · 30-03-2012, 19:27

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

I doubt it would make any difference whether it was tomorrow or a months time, the merest hint that something might be in short supply and the sheeple will still panic buy. At least petrol and diesel will keep for a while unlike perishables that have been hit by panic buying.

But it's the storing of petrol that is highly dangerous.

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Originally Posted by chris9991

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17564277

Would this mean that the drivers will earn more money and will the longer hours be less safe?

If so surely those who voted for a stirke couldn't consciously work these longer hours, as the dispute is all about safety?

Their driving hours are still limited by law.

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Originally Posted by martyh

Making excuses for idiots like her is the problem .Some people are so used to the government telling them what to do they have forgotten how to think for themselves .I'll bet the stupid bint tries to sue the government for suggesting that it is a good idea to keep petrol in a jerrycan

I don't think she would get far. As far as I know, no MP has yet told people to decant the petrol from a jerry can into a glass jug in their kitchen

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Originally Posted by Taf

Health and Safety out the window when "need arises"... just the sort of thing the drivers are against AFAIK.

They should refuse to do the extra hours... I would.

They aren't allowed to exceed the legally allowed number of hours by law.

30-03-2012, 19:32

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

I don't think she would get far. As far as I know, no MP has yet told people to decant the petrol from a jerry can into a glass jug in their kitchen

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Oh you can bet there will be a no win no fee parasite parked at the bottom of her recovery bed just waiting to jump

Tim Deegan · 30-03-2012, 19:37

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Originally Posted by mertle

I can only assume there ignoring the takagraph restriction.

They can't ignore the tachograph restrictions, otherwise the drivers will be prosecuted.

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repositor...V%20Driver.pdf

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Love the way you start off with an unsubstantiated hypothesis, and then extrapolate wildly from that, whether or not it has any basis in fact.

You sure you're not a politician?

He can't be, he hasn't given out any stupid advice

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Originally Posted by martyh

Oh you can bet there will be a no win no fee parasite parked at the bottom of her recovery bed just waiting to jump

Oh you can almost guarantee that. But even they wouldn't represent her once they look into the facts.

alferret · 30-03-2012, 20:28

**Hugh** · 30-03-2012, 21:31

Great placard outside the ale house/restaurant we ate at tonight...

30-03-2012, 21:39

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Great placard outside the ale house/restaurant we ate at tonight...

class

TheDaddy · 31-03-2012, 05:55

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Great placard outside the ale house/restaurant we ate at tonight...

Yes I panic bought a chicken kebab last night and suggested to the owner he should put some sort of signage up encouraging people to do the same...

mertle · 31-03-2012, 09:52

LOL HUGH cant fault for trying

Good news normality come at last about 5pm last night zombie mode got switched off.

Finally government act remove the advice.

According to Psychologist Dr Clifford Stott: "It's individualistic, selfish behaviour that's leading to demand" Its not should not be termed panic buy its human nature.