Football : Season 2011/12

[Shadow Demon UK]

Originally Posted by sherer

In some games we have no midfield at all. I've said before we are lucky the standard in the league has slipped over the past few years which has meant we can still challenge for the title despite being so poor.

Everyone can see it apart from Fergie it seems

But then reaching three champions league finals in four years tells a different story. Obviously this season is a different matter, we were caught out, especially at home in europe. The number of injuries in the period we played the group games didn't help either. I think we are only one or two players away from having an excellent team.

As for the Europa league, i think its quite clear the team and Ferguson don't really care. The league is by far the priority (as it should be). I'm suprised to see that some people think he may rest a few players on sunday against west brom for the game against bilbao. I would be shocked if it even comes into his head to do that.

[adzii_nufc]

Originally Posted by thenry

it can change though. i hate to say it but look at tottenham.. low wage bills.. can improve but it takes stability to do that. newcastle too.. can the two teams carry it on and improve? or clubs just throw money from the get go.. even those at the bottom middle whatever.

Great point. Newcastle not so long ago had one of the biggest wage bills in the league and were massively underachieving for the value and wage of the team. They threw money at 'Big' players that turned into major flops and disasters (Luque, Owen, Boumsong) Then relegation came which was probably the greatest thing to happen to Newcastle United for a long time! The debt was reduced, wages dropped and as you seen with the Championship that season it was a riot. Then they offloaded players on stupid wages and bought players cheap or free that turned into the squad today. A risk was taken with Demba Ba but that paid off massively. All Newcastle need to do now is continue to bring in worthy players and keep aiming for stability like Spurs have done over the years. It will take time but we are enjoying the season we are having and a result on Monday would keep us chasing not just the Europa League but the Champions League too.

[thenry]

i know im being nice and all but come on. dont get carried away

whats newcastles financial state adz.. can you share any info thats been released, found on forums, supporters trusts?

[adzii_nufc]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17306160

[thenry]

your debt isn't as much as I thought it would be, it is high of course as is any debt but still viable

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

Great point. Newcastle not so long ago had one of the biggest wage bills in the league and were massively underachieving for the value and wage of the team. They threw money at 'Big' players that turned into major flops and disasters (Luque, Owen, Boumsong) Then relegation came which was probably the greatest thing to happen to Newcastle United for a long time! The debt was reduced, wages dropped and as you seen with the Championship that season it was a riot. Then they offloaded players on stupid wages and bought players cheap or free that turned into the squad today. A risk was taken with Demba Ba but that paid off massively. All Newcastle need to do now is continue to bring in worthy players and keep aiming for stability like Spurs have done over the years. It will take time but we are enjoying the season we are having and a result on Monday would keep us chasing not just the Europa League but the Champions League too.

Sadly, though thay still have an idiot of an owner who cares nothing about the club (take the renaming of St James Park for example)

[thenry]

I reckon he's learning and as for naming rights, dude I know it shouldn't be done this and that but its a way to clear debt. Like I said he seems to be learning now but Adz will know more though being a fan.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by thenry

I reckon he's learning and as for naming rights, dude I know it shouldn't be done this and that but its a way to clear debt. Like I said he seems to be learning now but Adz will know more though being a fan.

If they were building a new staduim then they can call it what they like, but that ground is a historic one, along with its name

[thenry]

well Newcastle have made some bent moves, as Adz mentioned handing out huge salaries etc. they now seem to be getting back on track so it may just be one of those things you have to accept to aid getting back on the right path.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by thenry

well Newcastle have made some bent moves, as Adz mentioned handing out huge salaries etc. they now seem to be getting back on track so it may just be one of those things you have to accept to aid getting back on the right path.

Lets hope they sort out the "new" name for that ground

[adzii_nufc]

Different types of Newcastle supporters will tell you different stories. What Mike Ashley has done thus far was necessary to keep Newcastle afloat. He pumped millions of interest free loans into the club and Supporters didn't criticise that. It was the Kevin Keegan resignation that got people riled and all because apparently Kev wasn't getting everything his own way regarding transfers. I'll be the first to say when he came back he sounded delusional and I could swear he thought he was managing Manchester United with talks over Thierry Henry and other players that wouldn't associate themselves with this club in a million years.

Then the sacking of Chris Hughton brought more hatred towards the Ashley regime and he appointed Pardew whom many questioned his ability compared to that of Hughton. Ashley then made it clear with the Andy Carroll transfer that if you don't want to be here then there's the door and brought in a massive £35million in one of the best bits of business in British transfer history if you look at how it's turned out.

Signings such as Cabaye, Ba, Ben Arfa, Santon, Marveux and Cissé for less money than what Newcastle sold Carroll for is amazing alone. 6 quality players that have done their part this season in a massive way. We have now built a squad capable of actually competing with the top teams for once. With all that talk of £35 million to spend.. Some delusional geordies (The were gonna win the league) ones need to realise that £35 million does not mean it's going to be blown on a single player or even two players, it was invested and so far invested well with the announcement of Newcastle's youth system being scrapped in the summer and millions of pounds are to be spent in bringing talent from different countries to rebuild that from the ground up.

The stadium re-naming is a big disappointment but yet may turn out to be nothing with little to no interest in anyone wanting to take rights of the stadium name. The hatred for Ashley died down some time ago bar the Chav's and Yob's at games that rip hoarding's down and vandalise the stadium over such matter, this is not the right way to do things.

To cap it all of, If Newcastle supporters are angry at the way things have turned out, just take a good look at the league position and the financial status of our club. Freddy Shepherd and his habit of spending money on crap would have ran it straight into the ground if he had kept going.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

The decision by Rangers players to take a 75% pay cut, is something that all clubs should do to prevent clubs going bust.

The amount of money players get is a disgrace for playing 180 minutes of football per week, Some players are on 250k per week. Are they worth that much to kick a ball full of air.

I blame tv companies for adding to the list for paying £50/60.000 per game to the clubs, Clubs should show an example to the fans by saying, for the entire season we will charge the fans £20.00 entrance fee to watch ANY game for a whole season.

PL clubs should also cough up money to help lower league clubs, as this is where they get future stars players from to enrich there teams.

[thenry]

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

Different types of Newcastle supporters will tell you different stories. What Mike Ashley has done thus far was necessary to keep Newcastle afloat. He pumped millions of interest free loans into the club and Supporters didn't criticise that. It was the Kevin Keegan resignation that got people riled and all because apparently Kev wasn't getting everything his own way regarding transfers. I'll be the first to say when he came back he sounded delusional and I could swear he thought he was managing Manchester United with talks over Thierry Henry and other players that wouldn't associate themselves with this club in a million years.

Then the sacking of Chris Hughton brought more hatred towards the Ashley regime and he appointed Pardew whom many questioned his ability compared to that of Hughton. Ashley then made it clear with the Andy Carroll transfer that if you don't want to be here then there's the door and brought in a massive £35million in one of the best bits of business in British transfer history if you look at how it's turned out.

Signings such as Cabaye, Ba, Ben Arfa, Santon, Marveux and Cissé for less money than what Newcastle sold Carroll for is amazing alone. 6 quality players that have done their part this season in a massive way. We have now built a squad capable of actually competing with the top teams for once. With all that talk of £35 million to spend.. Some delusional geordies (The were gonna win the league) ones need to realise that £35 million does not mean it's going to be blown on a single player or even two players, it was invested and so far invested well with the announcement of Newcastle's youth system being scrapped in the summer and millions of pounds are to be spent in bringing talent from different countries to rebuild that from the ground up.

The stadium re-naming is a big disappointment but yet may turn out to be nothing with little to no interest in anyone wanting to take rights of the stadium name. The hatred for Ashley died down some time ago bar the Chav's and Yob's at games that rip hoarding's down and vandalise the stadium over such matter, this is not the right way to do things.

To cap it all of, If Newcastle supporters are angry at the way things have turned out, just take a good look at the league position and the financial status of our club. Freddy Shepherd and his habit of spending money on crap would have ran it straight into the ground if he had kept going.

thats really interesting. would you say Mike Ashley is finally learning or someone or people at the club are learning striving forward?

wheres this Mr Shepherd now?

the youth system you speak of, could you explain that a little better please mate, I did fully understand.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

The decision by Rangers players to take a 75% pay cut, is something that all clubs should do to prevent clubs going bust.

The amount of money players get is a disgrace for playing 180 minutes of football per week, Some players are on 250k per week. Are they worth that much to kick a ball full of air.

I blame tv companies for adding to the list for paying £50/60.000 per game to the clubs, Clubs should show an example to the fans by saying, for the entire season we will charge the fans £20.00 entrance fee to watch ANY game for a whole season.

PL clubs should also cough up money to help lower league clubs, as this is where they get future stars players from to enrich there teams.

true but it takes a massive blow for it to come to the point where players accept a pay cut within contract.

[thenry]

TheSun probe Roman Abramovich, 2billion pumped into Chelsea > http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...n-Chelsea.html

[denphone]

Originally Posted by thenry

TheSun probe Roman Abramovich, 2billion pumped into Chelsea > http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...n-Chelsea.html

Well we shall see what comes of it thenry.