Falkland Islands: Tensions Rising

[Hom3r]

IMHO the Type 45 is man enough to look after the FI.

Some beach areas are only accessable by penguins due to the mines kindly left by the Argies, so that area I'ld say was safe from a sea invasion.

Dare I say that we have a number of subs patroling the areas outside the Type 45's reach, giving it early warning should the need arise.

I just think we should moon at the argies from the west coast saying "come on if you think you are hard enough".

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry

We have 86 Typhoon's and in the long term 160, lets bring some of the other 82 (soon 156) typhoons to the Falklands!

Logistically not an easy task with the numbers of aircraft need to do in-flight re-fueling.

So dare I say unless something major happens I doubt this would happen.

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Yet that mountain has the capability of landing more men, equipment..etc..

You seem though to have fallen asleep when the capabilities were explained to you earlier in this thread concerning the type 45 and the 4 typhoons a lot earlier in this thread..

You have to remember that the military has to get to the island first or does logistics not count for an army of thousands????

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PMSL.. You join up, you go to a conflict zone then tell me what I'm doing..

I've in no way insulted any British forces and you're the only one who thinks so.. After you've done your length of service then you'll understand what I was saying concerning the skirmish..

Yes I know the capabilities. But you must have been asleep when a sustained attack was talked about. Even a type 45 can't defend the whole of the falklands at once, and can't defend against large numbers of incomming missiles and torpedos at once. And the type 45 would be Argentina's number 1 target to take out first. As for the typhoons, we only have 4 of them there. How many air to air missiles can they carry? Not enopugh to shoot down a large number of fighters, no matter how outdated they are.

Don't you think that Argentina don't know that they have a huge disadvantage as far as technology goes. So any militart strategist will simply change their strategy using a massive attack on buth the type 45 and the typhoons. Once they have gone, then they can walk straight into the Falklands.

The last war lasted a year, with 100's of casualties. That is not a Skirmish!! Like I say, I know people who fought there last time. And I know many people who have fought on the front line more recently. And I can tell you for a fact that your comments would insult them all.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Do we know what types special forces the Argentinians have?

I'm thinking SAS / SEALS or similar. Though an all out attack is unlikely at the outset a sneak mission to disable the 4 Typhoons and whatever other damage could be done followed by a mass air/missile attack on the Type 45 to drain down its supplies of defence missiles as a prelude to a real invasion has to be a possible scenario.

Or maybe I've been watching too many animé where the same sneak plan actually works against a vastly more extensive defence force.

Well that is what covert special forces do. And the truth is that we don't know if they have them.

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Originally Posted by Chris

I know which analysis I consider to be more authoritative.

It's only a deterrent force, that would mean that Argentina would have to launch a large scale attack.

At the end of the day, it all depends on if they consider their forces as cannon fodder or not. Some countries do.

[Alan Fry]

I think they might increase defence spending in responce to this, maybe then they will buy the Dassult Rafale (the French Rival to the Eurofighter)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Rafale

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Nah, just swatted that bee... it kept cut/pasting erroneous data from out of date sites..

Most of that data is from 2011. And some from 2012. Not out of date by much.

It's your data that seems to be very wrong.

[Kymmy]

You don't seem to realise the role a type45 will play and also the hidden assets..

Here's one scenario for you

Outside of the argie ports sits a couple of our subs, they deal with either via torpedo or cruise missile any surface ships daring to leave the ports.. The type 45 sits on the west of the island providing air/surface cover for anything wanting to take the direct approach. 4 typhoons provide top cover for anything stupid enough to come round the long routes, mount pleasant and surrounding area covered by rapier and ground defenses. North/South/East seaways covered by typhoons and or any marauding subs we have out there..

I never said we could stop a landing but by the time they get there and land with any force they'd have a hell of a lot of casualties, little logistical support and we'd have reinforcements approaching from the air via Ascension Island.

Or do you think that the argies will be able to get in their paddle boats go directly to the island and land unopposed.. the costs to the argentines would hopefully negate them even trying.. and the leaders would go the way of the last Junta that tried..

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

PMSL.. You join up, you go to a conflict zone then tell me what I'm doing..

I've in no way insulted any British forces and you're the only one who thinks so.. After you've done your length of service then you'll understand what I was saying concerning the skirmish..

It's funny, but everyone I know who has actually ben on the front line, being shot at (unlike weapons techs), considers it a war.

[Kymmy]

So now you're saying that techs can never be front line You accuse me of insulting those that served in the falklands conflict and now you're insulting half of the UK armed forces

You honestly have no idea do you

[Alan Fry]

CF posters, please, we are not having a war between each other!

If we are having a war, it is with Argentina (which they started)

[richard s]

War is always repugnant but so can the human race at times. Is it only worth fighting when oil is about or yet to be discovered.

Should we not send certain Argentinean Football players back home for bringing the premier league into dispute with different issues (conspiracy theory).

Argentina has asked other countries to refuse Falkland vessels safe harborage and trade (now a certain cruise line has been refused).

We shall have to make or own corned beef from now on.

Would it not make sense to make the Falklands an independent country (UN recognized)... but any country offering trade and the like would be welcome.

[Russ]

This wouldn't be a war - only religion causes wars, remember. It's never over land, greed, politics etc

I can't see this being due to the Argies really wanting the islands.

[Uncle Peter]

I expect that a rather large amount of submarine launched TLAMs heading for Buenos Aires would make them think twice about attempting to back-up their hot air and rhetoric.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by richard s

War is always repugnant but so can the human race at times. Is it only worth fighting when oil is about or yet to be discovered.

Should we not send certain Argentinean Football players back home for bringing the premier league into dispute with different issues (conspiracy theory).

Argentina has asked other countries to refuse Falkland vessels safe harborage and trade (now a certain cruise line has been refused).

We shall have to make or own corned beef from now on.

Would it not make sense to make the Falklands an independent country (UN recognized)... but any country offering trade and the like would be welcome.

Can we start with Carlos Tevez?

We could make the Falkland’s Independent (via a referendum). But it still require its defence and Foreign affairs to be run by the UK, like the USA does with members of The Compact of Free Association

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact...ee_Association

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

Hardly a deterrent

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

It's only a deterrent force

You're really just making this up as you go along, aren't you ...

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

So now you're saying that techs can never be front line You accuse me of insulting those that served in the falklands conflict and now you're insulting half of the UK armed forces

You honestly have no idea do you

By front line I'm talking about going out on patrol, and getting shot at.

Anyway this is getting off topic.

You have to remember Kymmy, that this is a forum, where people are entitled to their own opinion. Just because you have a military background does not mean that you are the only person who could be right. It is just your opinion.

My opinion is that in order to be certain that Argentina won't try anything, we need aircraft carriers out there, as well as a bigger defence force. And it is my opinion that this will prevent loss of life.

One thing we don't know for sure, is how desperate the the Argentine government are to try and do something to win over public opinion. At the moment they are getting the public worked up on the issue. My personal opinion is that she is just sabre rattling to make it appear to the public that she is doing something, and to win the public over....but we really don't know for sure.

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Originally Posted by Russ

This wouldn't be a war - only religion causes wars, remember. It's never over land, greed, politics etc

I can't see this being due to the Argies really wanting the islands.

It's over oil more than anything else. This is why USA won't back us, because they want to use their technology for oil exploration, and strike a deal with Argentina.

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

The last war lasted a year, with 100's of casualties. That is not a Skirmish!! Like I say, I know people who fought there last time. And I know many people who have fought on the front line more recently. And I can tell you for a fact that your comments would insult them all..

I thought the Falklands war lasted 2 months?