SD : TV price rises

Just had my letter through the box £3.50 increase for me.

Guess thats £2 for the TVXL and £1.50 for the BB.

[stereohaven]

Originally Posted by denphone

Well my experience of Sky comes from being down my parents place...

Your post allows me to illustrate my earlier point perfectly...

Originally Posted by denphone

...their broadband is of a generally poor quality with a very intermittent and poor signal happening most of the time...

My Sky Broadband service was excellent and rock steady during my time with them. In fact, despite only hitting 8MB (which it stayed at no matter what), I could enjoy far better streaming and gaming during peak times than I can on my VM connection which is over 3 times faster.

Originally Posted by denphone

...and really can you say overall that Skys TV service is that much better then Virgins as Virgin have by far the superior VOD service so overall it is just as good if not better...

Yes I can.

Sky Anytime works. During my time with VM I have had issues with iPlayer and 4oD. I haven't used the other two.

With iPlayer and ITV Player being added to Sky Anytime (with the others being added later no doubt), one of the few USP's VM had is going to be quickly eroded.

Originally Posted by denphone

...and then the there is a superior STB to boot as well...

I like TiVo, but then I am a gadget freak. My Wife, who is probably far more representative of "normal" customers on either platform hates it.

To her it's just an over complicated TV box that is confusing to use and has far too many features that she will never need or understand the power of. Why? Because she just wants to watch some telly. That's it.

In terms of basic customer experience (not for those of us gadget freaks...), the Sky+ box and it's GUI is genius. Simple and does exactly what it says on the tin. That is why to me it is the better STB.

Originally Posted by denphone

...thus making Virgins TV service overall the better package in my mind.

And Sky's the best in mine.

I'm not picking on you specifically by the way, just trying to demonstrate that these Sky v. VM discussions are going to do nothing but go round in circles because we will all stick up for the platform we prefer or have the best experience of.

[lewisnadasurf]

£5.25

VIP 50.

Shocking.

I will be leaving in June. Only had VIP since June as well.... Up over 5%, i'd like to add i haven't had a 5% pay rise in that time.

[blackthorn]

Originally Posted by lewisnadasurf

£5.25

VIP 50.

Shocking.

I will be leaving in June. Only had VIP since June as well.... Up over 5%, i'd like to add i haven't had a 5% pay rise in that time.

I`m on vip 50 as well but my email says £4.25. Have you got something extra on yours.

[alwaysabear]

Originally Posted by denphone

Well my experience of Sky comes from being down my parents place and their broadband is of a generally poor quality with a very intermittent and poor signal happening most of the time and really can you say overall that Skys TV service is that much better then Virgins as Virgin have by far the superior VOD service so overall it is just as good if not better and then the there is a superior STB to boot as well thus making Virgins TV service overall the better package in my mind.

I have had VM and Sky and the only reason I am still with VM is BB. My BB is stable and a constant 18mb. As far as TV is concerned Sky wipe the floor with VM , my mother has Sky TV so I have up to date knowledge , more choice and more HD and you don't have to wait an eternity for new channels to appear. Sky are catching up fast on what VM does have an advantage over them(OD) and when sky have fibre BB watch out.

As for STB well that is horses for courses, TiVo appeals to the tech savy people which lets face it are in the minority. The average person wants the box to change channels record the odd program or series and have access to OD.

[stereohaven]

Originally Posted by alwaysabear

...As far as TV is concerned Sky wipe the floor with VM , more choice and more HD and you don't have to wait an eternity for new channels to appear. Sky are catching up fast on what VM does have an advantage over them(OD) and when sky have fibre BB watch out.

As for STB well that is horses for courses, TiVo appeals to the tech savy people which lets face it are in the minority. The average person wants the box to change channels record the odd program or series and have access to OD.

Couldn't agree more and congratulations on 1000 posts.

[alwaysabear]

Originally Posted by stereohaven

Couldn't agree more and congratulations on 1000 posts.

Thanks M8 only just realised that.

[lewisnadasurf]

Originally Posted by blackthorn

I`m on vip 50 as well but my email says £4.25. Have you got something extra on yours.

1 V+ box
1 HD box
50meg
anytime calls

Thats all?

A couple of points to remember is Skys TV service is their core product so probably will always be better then VMs linear channel offering sky also provide broadband and telephone but are only re-selling BT products.

VM re-sell tv channels but that is not the main product the broadband is hence VM able to offer high speeds,the TV service is secondary to that.

Having said that i find VM do carry all the channels i require.

But the two main pay TV channel providers are both focussed on differing products hence the disparity when it comes to certain features.

[Dave42]

just price compare with sky would be £107.25 for all i got now would lose tivo 100MB BB only paying £111 for vip 100 going up to £116 after price rise so would never be worth it i would never ever go to sky anyway just did it for a price compare got the best box on market with VM and best BB in country too so its a no brainer even if i would consider sky which i never ever go too

[stereohaven]

Originally Posted by richard1960

...sky also provide broadband and telephone but are only re-selling BT products...

That's not true though is it?

Sure Sky use some of the BT network for part of the delivery, or all of the delivery if you are a Connect customer, but that is true of nearly all ISP's including VM's "national" customers.

However in unbundled areas it is Sky kit in the exchanges and for the backhaul. It is nothing like "re-selling BT products".

Originally Posted by stereohaven

That's not true though is it?

Sure Sky use some of the BT network for part of the delivery, or all of the delivery if you are a Connect customer, but that is true of nearly all ISP's including VM's "national" customers.

However in unbundled areas it is Sky kit in the exchanges and for the backhaul. It is nothing like "re-selling BT products".

In unbundled areas then sky do not use any part of the BT network? then why are they waiting for BT to roll out infinity before offering up to 40 mb speeds.

Sorry if that sounds un- technical its because i am.

All i said in my posting was both the main pay TV channel providers were concentrating on different areas which they are unless you know different.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by richard1960

In unbundled areas then sky do not use any part of the BT network? then why are they waiting for BT to roll out infinity before offering up to 40 mb speeds.

Sorry if that sounds un- technical its because i am.

No-one said Sky don't use any part of the BT network, but they don't use all of it

Sky use the wires for their main service, but that's about it. The kit at each end of the wire is theirs

Same for when they launch the fibre service, they will use the fibre and wire but the kit will be theirs

Originally Posted by BenMcr

No-one said Sky don't use any part of the BT network, but they don't use all of it

Sky use the wires for their main service, but that's about it. The kit at each end of the wire is theirs

Same for when they launch the fibre service, they will use the fibre and wire but the kit will be theirs

Thats probably right but my key point has now been lost however which was sky and virgin are focussing on different products as their flagship ones.

But as i said that point has gone.

[stereohaven]

Originally Posted by richard1960

In unbundled areas then sky do not use any part pf the BT network? then why are they waiting for BT to roll out infinity before offering up to 40 mb speeds.

As I said above, they do use part of BT's network but not all of it. My point is they don't "just re-sell BT products", they pay a fee for the bit of network they use and sell their own products.

For Fibre they will be doing exactly the same thing, using BT infrastructure for part of the journey, as will many ISP's. However, again the product they offer will be totally different in terms of price and possibly performance.

For example, BT Infinity may move their customers onto 80MB from 40MB, but there is no guarantee Sky will do the same because it is a different product.

Originally Posted by richard1960

Sorry if that sounds un- technical its because i am.

No need to apologise.

Originally Posted by richard1960

All i said in my posting was both the main pay TV channel providers were concentrating on different areas which they are unless you know different.

I know nothing more than you. All I see is Sky quietly getting their ducks lined up so that they can knock out VM's USP's one by one. Eventually all they will have left is headline speed and by using BT infrastructure Sky will be able to deliver decent speeds, potentially cheaper and to a much wider geographic area than VM.

This is partly why I think price increases right now are business suicide for VM.