Christian B&B owners lose appeal....

[Mr Angry]

....against fine for turning away a gay couple.

From the Guardian.

"Court of appeal judges uphold ruling that Peter and Hazelmary Bull acted unlawfully by refusing to let gay couple stay"

More here.

[NitroNutter]

It is stories like this that make me proud I summoned the strength to just walk away from a quite successful business venture I had worked hard for several years to put together having later discovered my gay associates where not suitable and that as is often the case had ulterior motives they had concealed from me. I have to say I am glad today I made that decision as criminal cases past present and future will be an ongoing situation from my ordeal once I realised I was being both used and bought. I will never work for or with or serve such like minded people again period, I would prefer to spend whats left in solitary confinement than bow down to those who encourage such behaviour amongst men especially to the younger generation wether below the age of consent or not.

This is a clear breach of article 9 of the human rights act, these people have had that right denied to them by the law in their place of business of which I hasten to add is a business that is often also ones home.

The law has violated these peoples right to moral conscience regardless of its foundation within their home and business and I dont doubt as a consequence placed them in a position of serious personal and economical compromise.

Originally Posted by NitroNutter

It is stories like this that make me proud I summoned the strength to just walk away from a quite successful business venture I had worked hard for several years to put together having later discovered my gay associates where not suitable and that as is often the case had ulterior motives they had concealed from me. I have to say I am glad today I made that decision as criminal cases past present and future will be an ongoing situation from my ordeal once I realised I was being both used and bought. I will never work for or with or serve such like minded people again period, I would prefer to spend whats left in solitary confinement than bow down to those who encourage such behaviour amongst men especially to the younger generation wether below the age of consent or not.

Eh what?

[Gavin78]

Yeah Nitro I have to agree can't make sense of your post?

[danielf]

I think he dislikes gay people.

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by NitroNutter

It is stories like this that make me proud I summoned the strength to just walk away from a quite successful business venture I had worked hard for several years to put together having later discovered my gay associates where not suitable and that as is often the case had ulterior motives they had concealed from me. I have to say I am glad today I made that decision as criminal cases past present and future will be an ongoing situation from my ordeal once I realised I was being both used and bought. I will never work for or with or serve such like minded people again period, I would prefer to spend whats left in solitary confinement than bow down to those who encourage such behaviour amongst men especially to the younger generation wether below the age of consent or not.

This is a clear breach of article 9 of the human rights act, these people have had that right denied to them by the law in their place of business of which I hasten to add is a business that is often also ones home.

The law has violated these peoples right to moral conscience regardless of its foundation within their home and business and I dont doubt as a consequence placed them in a position of serious personal and economical compromise.

So you had a bad business experience because your business partners were gay???? Well take away the gay part, and lets just say they had ulterior motives.

You can rufuse admission to someone if there is good reason to believe that they will in some way affect your business, for example by maybe damaging or stealing your property, or disturbing other guests. This is why many B&B's don't allow large same sex groups in places where stag and hen weekends are popular.

However there is no evidence to suggest that someones sexuallity is going to cause any harm to a business. It was clearly a simple case of predjudice.

I have also had a bad business experience with a business partner who was gay. But the problem was nothing at all to do with his sexuallity.

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Originally Posted by danielf

I think he dislikes gay people.

What makes you think that?

Originally Posted by Damien

Eh what?

Somebody did something bad to him, so everyone else like the person who did the bad thing are equally guilty.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

What makes you think that?

Dunno. Call it a hunch...

[Hom3r]

What puzzles me is a shop or club can refuse to serve you or let you enter, and you cannot do squat.

But a B&B cannot.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

What puzzles me is a shop or club can refuse to serve you or let you enter, and you cannot do squat.

But a B&B cannot.

They can, it just has to be a valid reason, of which, 'because you are gay' is not one of them

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

However there is no evidence to suggest that someones sexuallity is going to cause any harm to a business.

I know. it's not as if they're going to insist everything has to be pink.

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by NitroNutter

It is stories like this that make me proud I summoned the strength to just walk away from a quite successful business venture I had worked hard for several years to put together having later discovered my gay associates where not suitable and that as is often the case had ulterior motives they had concealed from me. I have to say I am glad today I made that decision as criminal cases past present and future will be an ongoing situation from my ordeal once I realised I was being both used and bought. I will never work for or with or serve such like minded people again period, I would prefer to spend whats left in solitary confinement than bow down to those who encourage such behaviour amongst men especially to the younger generation wether below the age of consent or not.

This is a clear breach of article 9 of the human rights act, these people have had that right denied to them by the law in their place of business of which I hasten to add is a business that is often also ones home.

The law has violated these peoples right to moral conscience regardless of its foundation within their home and business and I dont doubt as a consequence placed them in a position of serious personal and economical compromise.

The law doesn't say you have the right to discriminate. There is no excuse for homophobia.

Originally Posted by Gary L

I know. it's not as if they're going to insist everything has to be pink.

Nice to see an enlightened viewpoint.

[Salu]

I struggle to get my head around why there is so much support for gay people these days yet so little support for religious expression citing it as outdated etc. Surely if you support people's rights to express themselves sexually then you should also support people's rights for religious expression?

Obviously there will be people who support both but there is a vocal bias towards this even on this site.

I don't know the details of the above case but if someone wishes to not allow potential customers into their own home for a reason that conflicts with their own values then I fully understand them. Just like I would if they didn't allow teenage drunks or smokers or "no dogs" etc.

The thing I don't agree with is persecuting those individuals for their lifestyles.

Should bouncers allow anyone in to their nightclubs? Should the gents be open to ladies?

From my personal viewpoint, I am not supporting gay rights, I am supporting equal rights.

People should not be discriminated against for their gender, sexuality, race, disability, or religion - this should not be confused/conflated with not allowing drunken troublemakers into a nightclub.

If someone stated that I, as a member of the CofE, was not allowed into a hotel because of my beliefs, I bet there would be outrage because of that - there should (imho) the same outrage if people are not allowed in due to their sexuality, gender, etc etc.