Eurozone will collapse... - Page 35

gba93 · 30-01-2012, 11:02

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Originally Posted by DaiNasty

Indeed it's not. There is always a faint hope that local rebels could fight off an armed invasion. With this sort of financially-driven takeover the result is virtually the same but there is no target to fight.

Exactly

Osem · 30-01-2012, 11:31

Whether it's true or not doesn't really matter does it? (Who knows, other than the German government what their ulitmate goal for the EU is and how far they'll go to achieve what they may well deem the only way for Germany and the rest of the EU to continue to survive and eventually prosper?). It's how Greeks (and others on the receiving end) see it and react that matters. Even overlooking 20thC history, I predict plenty of unhappy and impoverished people will perceive the realities of German economic control very negatively and react accordingly. That doesn't bode well for any of us either economically or for a politically stable Europe and as the stakes get higher the more uncertainty about what happens next there is.

Alan Fry · 30-01-2012, 12:27

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Originally Posted by Osem

Whether it's true or not doesn't really matter does it? (Who knows, other than the German government what their ulitmate goal for the EU is and how far they'll go to achieve what they may well deem the only way for Germany and the rest of the EU to continue to survive and eventually prosper?). It's how Greeks (and others on the receiving end) see it and react that matters. Even overlooking 20thC history, I predict plenty of unhappy and impoverished people will perceive the realities of German economic control very negatively and react accordingly. That doesn't bode well for any of us either economically or for a politically stable Europe and as the stakes get higher the more uncertainty about what happens next there is.

I do not think they want a Greater Germany, two world wars have stopped that and they paid hugely for that, what they want is a financially and politically stable Europe, even if it means they end up controlling it!

gba93 · 30-01-2012, 12:53

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry

I do not think they want a Greater Germany, two world wars have stopped that and they paid hugely for that, what they want is a financially and politically stable Europe, even if it means they end up controlling it!

Whether they (the German people want) a Greater Germany that's what they'll get if they (the German Government) gets it's way and the EU (controlled in the most part by Germany) runs the economies of most of the European countries to a lesser or greater extent.

Alan Fry · 30-01-2012, 13:07

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Originally Posted by gba93

Whether they (the German people want) a Greater Germany that's what they'll get if they (the German Government) gets it's way and the EU (controlled in the most part by Germany) runs the economies of most of the European countries to a lesser or greater extent.

I would agree with you on that!

Sirius · 30-01-2012, 13:09

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Originally Posted by nomadking

And that forced Greece to go on a spending spree and pay certain groups ridiculous amounts in wages.

Hang on we had a Government that DID exactly the same ruddy thing.

Alan Fry · 30-01-2012, 13:10

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Originally Posted by Sirius

Hang on we had a Government that DID exactly the same ruddy thing.

But we are financially secure, for now...

Sirius · 30-01-2012, 13:16

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Originally Posted by denphone

And thats the way l want it.

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry

But we are financially secure, for now...

For now. But what would of happened if we had been part of the ruddy Euro or some usoe

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We need a debt fairy to right of ALL the debt so we can start a fresh

Alan Fry · 30-01-2012, 13:18

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Originally Posted by Sirius

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For now. What would of happened if we had been part of the ruddy Euro or some usoe

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We need a debt fairy to right of ALL the debt so we can start a fresh

Even if we were part of the Euro, we would not go bust, but we will lose our AAA credit rating and give money to bailout other Eurozone members!

Sirius · 30-01-2012, 13:19

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry

Even if we were part of the Euro, we would not go bust, but we will lose our AAA credit rating and give money to bailout other Eurozone members!

Not as long as i have a hole in my bottom. Our money should be for our country. Additionally we should stop giving money to other countries for the next 5 years and spend that money here on OUR people and OUR country.

Europe and GERMANY can have its USOE but i and most of the people of this country dont want any part of it. I take it your not covering history at University

If the EU at kept to its original plan of a common market this would be less of a problem.

Alan Fry · 30-01-2012, 13:27

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Originally Posted by Sirius

Not as long as i have a hole in my bottom. Our money should be for our country. Additionally we should stop giving money to other countries for the next 5 years and spend that money here on OUR people and OUR country.

Europe and GERMANY can have its USOE but i and most of the people of this country dont want any part of it. I take it your not covering history at University

If the EU at kept to its original plan of a common market this would be less of a problem.

I am not suggesting of we joined the Euro as of now!

If we do not join the United States of Europe, they we should look at other trade agreements as well!

Sirius · 30-01-2012, 13:34

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry

I am not suggesting of we joined the Euro as of now!

Good

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry

If we do not join the United States of Europe, they we should look at other trade agreements as well!

Have we not already got that as part of the common market ??

Alan Fry · 30-01-2012, 13:47

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Originally Posted by Sirius

Good

Have we not already got that as part of the common market ??

I meant outside the EU, like the Commonwealth!

Sirius · 30-01-2012, 13:49

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry

I meant outside the EU, like the Commonwealth!

I have no issue with that.

**Hugh** · 30-01-2012, 13:56

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry

I meant outside the EU, like the Commonwealth!

Do you mean like these ones we have, or are negotiating with (bilaterally, not as part of the EU), such as Singapore, USA, Canada, Mexico, Free Trade Area of the Americas (34 countries), Bangladesh, China, India, Japan, Australia, South Korea, Malaysia, Taiwan, amongst others?