26-01-2012, 10:29
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Re: Football Season 2011/12
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Madrid got it to 2-2 on the night and lost 4-3 over the two legs. Madrid were by far the better team tonight, but more poor refereeing cost them. Ramos was wrongly sent off and they had a perfectly good goal disallowed amongst other decisions.
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Madrid were the better team but Barcelona did enough to get the result over the two legs. Ramos was wrongly sent off but that was right at the end whereas Pepe should have been sent off in the first leg and Diarra was pushing his luck as well.
Madrid must be getting depressed they can't beat Barcelona even after playing so well and Barcelona playing poorly.
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26-01-2012, 10:31
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Re: Football Season 2011/12
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Dilemma: do I want to see a Welsh club winning the League Cup even though it's Cardiff? I don't want to see the Scousers win it but this is Cardiff we're talking about.
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Yes Russ you are in a very difficult position and one hopes you will tell us your decision when you have thought this dilemma through.  
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26-01-2012, 10:39
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Re: Football Season 2011/12
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Well there are several reasons for that like certain owners who are in football for short term financial gains but one of the main reasons is that many clubs live beyond their financial means and pay fees and salarys which they can't really afford to start with but pay out in the hope of bringing success to the club but when this fails then they find that the financial rewards which their plan was based upon then fails totally with it thus they are then left to pick up the financial mess when things go wrong.
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Here is a list of owners of Portsmouth F.C.
2006-2009: Alexandre Gaydamak
2009: Sulaiman Al-Fahim
2009-2010: Ali al-Faraj
2010-2012: Balram Chainrai
2012-present: Southampton F.C.
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26-01-2012, 10:53
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Re: Football Season 2011/12
My personnel feelings on the sad demise of football clubs and new owners taking over clubs, such as Portsmouth.
Its the disgraceful wages that are paid to players, and when owners take over they forget this.
Players may only have short careers especially when the end of with broken legs that sometimes don't heel properly and have to retire early, BUT no players is worth the prices they earn today, and the agent fees cripple clubs.
The FA,the Football League, and the Premier League must place a wage cap on clubs, as players from the lower leagues don't live up to the wages that are paid by clubs and get put on the side.
Players like John Terry who is on £125.000 per week, that could be the entire wage for a club from the lower leagues.
This is why clubs go out of business, and new owners take over clubs to see how much they can get back in about 12 months to see if they can get a massive profit..
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26-01-2012, 10:55
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Re: Football Season 2011/12
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My personnel feelings on the sad demise of football clubs and new owners taking over clubs, such as Portsmouth.
Its the disgraceful wages that are paid to players, and when owners take over they forget this.
Players may only have short careers especially when the end of with broken legs that sometimes don't heel properly and have to retire early, BUT no players is worth the prices they earn today, and the agent fees cripple clubs.
The FA,the Football League, and the Premier League must place a wage cap on clubs, as players from the lower leagues don't live up to the wages that are paid by clubs and get put on the side.
Players like John Terry who is on £125.000 per week, that could be the entire wage for a club from the lower leagues.
This is why clubs go out of business, and new owners take over clubs to see how much they can get back in about 12 months to see if they can get a massive profit..
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If there was a UK only wage cap, then our players would be bought by European clubs!
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26-01-2012, 11:33
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Re: Football Season 2011/12
Years ago, players were on a decent wage, but now the wages have gone through the roof, and clubs can no longer afford the greed of players, Spurs have a wage cap, and they still produce great players.
This is time of financial problems the fans cannot afford to go to games anymore due to the entrance fee, and this why clubs are suffering financially, like the other day l was watching Birmingham were playing and the ground was half empty.
The heavy prices that we pay for Sky and VM for packages etc mean that clubs do suffer.
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26-01-2012, 11:52
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Re: Football Season 2011/12
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Years ago, players were on a decent wage, but now the wages have gone through the roof, and clubs can no longer afford the greed of players, Spurs have a wage cap, and they still produce great players.
This is time of financial problems the fans cannot afford to go to games anymore due to the entrance fee, and this why clubs are suffering financially, like the other day l was watching Birmingham were playing and the ground was half empty.
The heavy prices that we pay for Sky and VM for packages etc mean that clubs do suffer.
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The Big Clubs of England (wiht other Big Clubs in Europe) should leave the Premier League and form a European Super League
Then the Premier and football Leagues would no longer compete with major clubs, and wages and ticket prices to a more sensible level!
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26-01-2012, 12:47
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Re: Football Season 2011/12
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The Big Clubs of England (wiht other Big Clubs in Europe) should leave the Premier League and form a European Super League
Then the Premier and football Leagues would no longer compete with major clubs, and wages and ticket prices to a more sensible level!
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Good idea. That way all those smaller clubs that rely on FA Cup games against bigger clubs for valuable tv income just to survive can just shove off and find the money somewhere else. Cheeky blighters.
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26-01-2012, 12:55
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Re: Football Season 2011/12
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Good idea. That way all those smaller clubs that rely on FA Cup games against bigger clubs for valuable tv income just to survive can just shove off and find the money somewhere else. Cheeky blighters.
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I was talking about clubs like the Big 6 (Man U, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham and Liverpool), Not clubs like Newcastle, Sunderland, Aston Villa etc
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26-01-2012, 13:06
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Re: Football Season 2011/12
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I was talking about clubs like the Big 6 (Man U, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham and Liverpool), Not clubs like Newcastle, Sunderland, Aston Villa etc
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The big clubs are what brings in the money, especially from International broadcasters, if they left then the rest would lose out. It's why there is a collective bargaining agreement.
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26-01-2012, 13:16
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Re: Football Season 2011/12
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The big clubs are what brings in the money, especially from International broadcasters, if they left then the rest would lose out. It's why there is a collective bargaining agreement.
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Yet their presence in the Premierv leagues is the casue of huge wages and financial ruin of most clubs in their battle to compete with the big 6
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26-01-2012, 13:31
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Re: Football Season 2011/12
So you suggest making it worse?
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26-01-2012, 13:34
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Re: Football Season 2011/12
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So you suggest making it worse?
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How bad can it get?
Portsmouth have got bust twice and have has 5 owners in just 4 years!
Imagine how big a diffrence it will make if the old firm left the SPL!
Then smaller teams like Newcastle can have a decent chance at the Premier League without going bust!
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26-01-2012, 13:41
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Re: Football Season 2011/12
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How bad can it get?
Portsmouth have got bust twice and have has 5 owners in just 4 years!
Imagine how big a diffrence it will make if the old firm left the SPL!
Then smaller teams like Newcastle can have a decent chance at the Premier League without going bust!
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l think you will find that Newcastle are not a small team and have the second biggest crowds in the premiership.
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26-01-2012, 13:46
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Re: Football Season 2011/12
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l think you will find that Newcastle are not a small team and have the second biggest crowds in the premiership.
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Sorry Newcastle is a member of the big 7
If the big 7 left the Premier League, then it give a chance to teams like Aston Villa to win the title without going bust
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