80mph speed limit 'would increase deaths by 20%' - Page 3

26-12-2011, 14:15

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

Well I drive on the motorway everyday.

I would ban lorrys from lane 2 to 4 in the rain.

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up north where we only have 2 lanes ....sometimes ....on our motorways ,tractors and other slow moving vehicles are banned during morning and evening peak times which does make a big difference to the flow of traffic which in turn will make a difference to the amount of accidents due to stop start traffic .

I see no benefit in increasing the limit to 80mph

denphone · 26-12-2011, 14:19

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Originally Posted by martyh

I see no benefit in increasing the limit to 80mph

l agree totally.

Russ · 26-12-2011, 14:23

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

You seem intelligent enough, that such images would probably have stuck with you, and probably would have made a difference.

You use undertaking as an example. Well if they saw the consequences of undertaking, then they would probably be less likely to do it.

Apart from those who are convinced (and no education will change) that undertaking is necessary due to others hogging the outside lanes.

Arthurgray50@blu · 26-12-2011, 16:54

The comment that l would make on this, is that no matter what limit you place on roads or motorway's you have have someone breaking it.

The worst time of speeding is when it is bad weather, and l know l shouldn't say it, but l have no sympathy with people who end up fatally injured, l feel sorry for the people who get killed as a result of stupid drivers.

I have been driving for the past thirty years, and what l have seen would make your blood boil.

Osem · 26-12-2011, 19:24

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

Not so much freak events. As I described earlier, many drivers take risks because they have got a way with it so many times previously. Most times they are just lucky to get away with it. Occasionally their luck just runs out.

That's the point I was making - they can 'appear' to be freak events but they're actually often the culmination of serious and habitual negligence/recklesslness on the part of a hard core of drivers who like to drive as if they're in a GP. Sooner or later the inevitable occurs and we have carnage. The sad part is that these people can't be educated becuase they think it'll never happen to them, they're just too good to make a mistake.....

Threepints · 27-12-2011, 14:42

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Originally Posted by Russ

Apart from those who are convinced (and no education will change) that undertaking is necessary due to others hogging the outside lanes.

Undertaking actually works very well in many countries. Also it is not actually illegal within the UK. However it is discouraged in most driving circumstances.

The obvious country to use as an example where undertaking works well is the US. However there roads are much larger than ours & then is an advantage to the procedure.

Even on UK motorways due to the volume of vehicles & smaller size of lanes etc & also our habit of driving close I think if undertaking became the norm there would be more collisions.

TheNorm · 27-12-2011, 15:00

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Originally Posted by Threepints

Undertaking ... is not actually illegal within the UK. However it is discouraged in most driving circumstances.....

Discouraged? The wording in the Highway Code is a bit stronger than that:

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Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake.

Paragraph 268 on http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAn...code/DG_069862

MovedGoalPosts · 27-12-2011, 15:16

Most drivers fail to adjust their maximum speed to suit the driving conditions. This is often exacerbated by an inability to leave a reasonable distance between vehicles whcih unfortunately is made worse by our congested roads where if you do try an leave a gap someone else will fill it for you.

I was once told a statistic (which we all know can be manipulated) that in Surry 2% of serious accidents had drink as a factor, but 38% had speed as a factor (you could have more than one factor in the accident). Of course it's too much speed for the circumstances, not just breaking the limit. And that comes from driver judgement, or lack of.

In France some of their autoroutes do have a variable limit. It's signposted but not electronically enforced as we see on some of our congested systems on the M25 and around Birmingham. They allow 130km/h when it's dry but reduice to 110km/h in poor conditions. The question would probably be what determines poor?

Threepints · 27-12-2011, 17:13

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Originally Posted by TheNorm

Discouraged? The wording in the Highway Code is a bit stronger than that:

Paragraph 268 on http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAn...code/DG_069862

There are several other parts of the Highway Code concerning 'undertaking' which you seem to have not bothered to quote. These give reasons when undertaking IS allowed.

devilincarnate · 27-12-2011, 17:44

Why do we not go back to the horse drawn carts and then this thread would be redundant, People should stick to the speed limits and also take due care and attention of the driving conditions as well.

denphone · 27-12-2011, 17:46

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Originally Posted by devilincarnate

Why do we not go back to the horse drawn carts and then this thread would be redundant, People should stick to the speed limits and also take due care and attention of the driving conditions as well.

And l concur with that sentiment 100%.

Pierre · 27-12-2011, 17:58

I think the limit should be raised to 100mph for cars and motorbikes should not be limited at all in national limit zones.

Well that's how I act anyway, would be nice if it was legal

devilincarnate · 27-12-2011, 18:11

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Originally Posted by Pierre

I think the limit should be raised to 100mph for cars and motorbikes should not be limited at all in national limit zones.

Well that's how I act anyway, would be nice if it was legal

I would not think that my old friends parents would agree, As he said he never went on a motorway less than 120mph. He was coming back from North Wales in the centre lane on the motorway.
As he was travelling back at 6am in the morning some one came down the slip road straight in to the middle lane and clipped the bike he was on. It put him straight in to the central reservation and killed him straight out (so the coroner said).

I think that the speed limit should be the same as it is now.

27-12-2011, 19:22

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Originally Posted by Pierre

I think the limit should be raised to 100mph for cars and motorbikes should not be limited at all in national limit zones.

Well that's how I act anyway, would be nice if it was legal

and you would feel the same should you kill someone ?.

Your post is the exact reason why the limit should not be raised because if you drive/ride like that now should the limit be raised you would just go faster putting more lives at risk

Tim Deegan · 27-12-2011, 21:30

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

Well I drive on the motorway everyday.

I would ban lorrys from lane 2 to 4 in the rain.

They are banned from the outside lane anyway

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

Speed doesn't kill, it's the pratts behind the wheel who drive outside their skill level.

The trouble is that many people over estimate their own skill level. So when they drive within what they believe to be their own skill level, they are actually way outside it.

If we all drove defensively, then roads would be a far safer place.