rail racism... - Page 4

Stuart · 05-12-2011, 14:36

Personally, I don't get offended or paranoid when a person speaks in a language that I don't speak near me. Although I do have a Turkish friend who likes to speak in Turkish, then throw my name into the conversation just to try and wind me up.

What offends me is narrow minded people who sit there spouting off at anyone who has a slightly different skin tone that they aren't English, and don't belong on this island. Even if that person has lived here all their lives. Like that woman on the Tram.

Tim Deegan · 05-12-2011, 14:42

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Originally Posted by thenry

well thankfully I'm not from the far right

just old fashion

I think you have hit the nail on the head there.

The trouble is that many old fashion views were also sexist and racist, and so shouldn't play a part in modern society.

Gary L · 05-12-2011, 14:49

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

The trouble is that many old fashion views were also sexist and racist, and so shouldn't play a part in modern society.

That's an argument in itself. why can't someone have views on race (and not be accused of being a racist just because they have views) or be seen as sexist (just because they say something about the other sex) and the rest of society says it's not acceptable to have them views or be seen as sexist?

I think it's the case that we all have views about everything in life. but we are not allowed to share them amongst each other.

Tim Deegan · 05-12-2011, 14:56

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Originally Posted by Stuart

Personally, I don't get offended or paranoid when a person speaks in a language that I don't speak near me. Although I do have a Turkish friend who likes to speak in Turkish, then throw my name into the conversation just to try and wind me up.

If you think that's bad, I have a friend who is English but speaks fluent Portuguese, Spanish, and Tai. Well we were sat outside a bar in spain, chatting to his Brazilian girlfriend, and the Spanish bar owner.

Now this must have been very confusing for him, because he kept having to change language, and translate. And on occasions he turned to me and spoke in either Spanish or Portuguese (not sure which). So it was even more confusing for me, especially after a few drinks.

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Originally Posted by Stuart

What offends me is narrow minded people who sit there spouting off at anyone who has a slightly different skin tone that they aren't English, and don't belong on this island. Even if that person has lived here all their lives. Like that woman on the Tram.

Well said

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Originally Posted by Gary L

That's an argument in itself. why can't someone have views on race (and not be accused of being a racist just because they have views) or be seen as sexist (just because they say something about the other sex) and the rest of society says it's not acceptable to have them views or be seen as sexist?

I think it's the case that we all have views about everything in life. but we are not allowed to share them amongst each other.

Hey don't get me wrong, we are all individuals with different views, which we are entitled to. What is wrong is if we express those views in a way that may cause offence.......yes I have had the course.

I think that political correctness has gone mad. But we still shouldn't upset others.

05-12-2011, 15:29

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Originally Posted by thenry

well thankfully I'm not from the far right

just old fashion

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

I think you have hit the nail on the head there.

The trouble is that many old fashion views were also sexist and racist, and so shouldn't play a part in modern society.

Absolutely spot on .I was bought up in what would be seen today as a very racist household .My father was always complaining when Idi Amin sent another plane load of "blackies" over here ,and why can't they speak English .Back then it was normal and probably a large proportion of the population felt the same .Fortunately those old fashioned views didn't rub off onto me too much as i left home at 16 (another old fashioned belief)

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Originally Posted by Gary L

That's an argument in itself. why can't someone have views on race (and not be accused of being a racist just because they have views) or be seen as sexist (just because they say something about the other sex) and the rest of society says it's not acceptable to have them views or be seen as sexist?

I think it's the case that we all have views about everything in life. but we are not allowed to share them amongst each other.

Because that's how it works ,society as a whole make the rules .Society has deemed that taking other peoples possessions is wrong so we make laws and dish out punishment to those that do it ,society has deemed that some views about race are offensive so we have made rules and set limits .Wether you like it or not you are part of a society and there are limits as to what you can do or say

Gary L · 05-12-2011, 15:44

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Originally Posted by martyh

Because that's how it works ,society as a whole make the rules .Society has deemed that taking other peoples possessions is wrong so we make laws and dish out punishment to those that do it ,society has deemed that some views about race are offensive so we have made rules and set limits .Wether you like it or not you are part of a society and there are limits as to what you can do or say

I agree to a point. but society frowns on smoking. society can frown on it till it becomes bannned.

does that make society right?

you may society is right because it's made up of many people. and many more people outweighed the smokers. so therefore society is right.

but how many of that society just said ban it because they thought they would be an outcast if they said no to the ban?

who started the ban motion even?

could we have a country wide debate as to whether we should only allow certain people into this country. or has society said no already?

the answer is no we can't. because even the thought of having the said debate is a no even before you have even thought about it. anything to do with colour is a no.

because the thought before the thought is offensive before you even thought it

Zee · 05-12-2011, 16:10

If you check the video "my train experience" she's even worse, she can't even speak her own language properly.

Tim Deegan · 06-12-2011, 08:23

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Originally Posted by Gary L

I agree to a point. but society frowns on smoking. society can frown on it till it becomes bannned.

does that make society right?

you may society is right because it's made up of many people. and many more people outweighed the smokers. so therefore society is right.

but how many of that society just said ban it because they thought they would be an outcast if they said no to the ban?

who started the ban motion even?

could we have a country wide debate as to whether we should only allow certain people into this country. or has society said no already?

the answer is no we can't. because even the thought of having the said debate is a no even before you have even thought about it. anything to do with colour is a no.

because the thought before the thought is offensive before you even thought it

As you say, smoking hasn't been banned....however it has been banned in public buildings and workplaces, where it may be offensive to others.

This is just the same as using racist language, or other descriminatory (think that's how you spell it) language that others may find offensive, is also illegal.

So they all come under the same heading of 'likelyhood to cause offense to others'.

Russ · 06-12-2011, 13:03

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

As you say, smoking hasn't been banned....however it has been banned in public buildings and workplaces, where it may be offensive to others.

Change that to 'a possible health hazard' and you're in the right area.

thenry · 06-12-2011, 13:08

alright time for a spanner in the works... what about nudity? I pretty much cannot watch anything around family now (hold back on jokes!) music channels, normal television. This isn't old fashion its decency yet its being accepted?

Gary L · 06-12-2011, 13:36

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Originally Posted by thenry

alright time for a spanner in the works... what about nudity? I pretty much cannot watch anything around family now (hold back on jokes!) music channels, normal television. This isn't old fashion its decency yet its being accepted?

Agreed. they're all just hypocrites.

have you had your boobs done Sue? no but I've got a vagazzle. and the gay one says lets have a feel of your fake boobs Jean while Sue tells us what's through the round window.

thenry · 06-12-2011, 13:44

the media are sly on this as well, they print it as 'shocking' but all the while egg them on

Gary L · 06-12-2011, 13:47

Because sex sells.

it's good at getting the viewing audience things up too.

Russ · 06-12-2011, 14:05

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Because sex sells.

Especially to those that aren't getting any.

In any case, she's pleading 'not guilty'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16051120

Curious...

Gary L · 06-12-2011, 14:08

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Originally Posted by Russ

Especially to those that aren't getting any.

Aww Russ.

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In any case, she's pleading 'not guilty'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16051120

Curious...

Did they give her time to sober up before they asked her?