BoxNation on Virgin Media?

[Chad]

I looks like you guys are having mixed fortunes when dealing with Boxnation. I'm happy that after almost 2 months of silence we now seem able to have proper 2 way conversations with them.

It's good news about the classic fights, good news about their website being upgraded, bad news about lack of promotional incentives.

The main thing for me, if they are still operating, is what they intend to do when the boxing season comes to a close for 5 to 6 weeks at the end of July? Nobody is going to pay £10.00 per month for no live action. Maybe Frank Warren, with his large stable of fighters, intends to box right through and ignore the end of the boxing season.

[AZIMUTH]

[QUOTE=thatllbeme;35335770]some questions i asked on the facebook page have been answered



me-any chance of showing some of the great fights in world boxing over the last 20 or so years barrerra maroles pacquiao gatti corales castilla among others. cheers
boxnation-You'll be glad to know that we will indeed be showing some great old fights as well as the new ones too! Hope you enjoy it...

unless they have told you what old fights they are going to show when not showing live action i will be very sceptical because frank warren can only show the few fights he owns sole rights too.and they dont include classics.it will cost him a fortune to buy the temporary rights to all the fights we would like to see.the old fights he has shown these last 4months have been far from classics,although i have enjoyed watching martin rogan do harrisson etc.that may give you an idea what his old fights may be like.last nights card was a poor one too.the lads are brave to get in the ring but theyre not a good watch.

[denphone]

[QUOTE=AZIMUTH;35335786]

Originally Posted by thatllbeme

some questions i asked on the facebook page have been answered



me-any chance of showing some of the great fights in world boxing over the last 20 or so years barrerra maroles pacquiao gatti corales castilla among others. cheers
boxnation-You'll be glad to know that we will indeed be showing some great old fights as well as the new ones too! Hope you enjoy it...

unless they have told you what old fights they are going to show when not showing live action i will be very sceptical because frank warren can only show the few fights he owns sole rights too.and they dont include classics.it will cost him a fortune to buy the temporary rights to all the fights we would like to see.the old fights he has shown these last 4months have been far from classics,although i have enjoyed watching martin rogan do harrisson etc.that may give you an idea what his old fights may be like.last nights card was a poor one too.the lads are brave to get in the ring but theyre not a good watch.

As far as l know ESPN have most of the rights to classic fights of the past.

[Chad]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

After being ignored in various forum threads in which Boxnation are participating, I sent them an email to ask them why the free period and 6 for the price of 5 months wasn't available to VM customers and for details about commercial subscriptions for bars for Sky customers (VM no longer offer commercial TV subscriptions.)

As in the post above, they appeared to be blaming VM for the lack of promotional incentives. I would have thought that, as a stand alone premium channel, Boxnation would have the final say

I've just been thinking about what Boxnation told you, and the following from the bottom of this page:

http://www.virginmediaentertainment....n/Default.aspx

"Premium TV Services are provided to you by Virgin Media Entertainment".

So just like SKY Sports, SKY Movies etc... when you subscribe to Boxnation you aren't actually getting then service from them at all. Virgin are providing the channel. So it will be true that Virgin are in control of any promotional incentives, and I suppose the actual price on their own platform. So if you take Boxnation you aren't actually a Boxnation customer. Virgin are the customer of Boxnation. We are simply consumers.

I wonder how the carriage deal works? Maybe Virgin pay Boxnation a flat rate to carry the channel each month regardless of how many subscribers it gets i.e. £50,000 per month. Virgin then essentially have complete control how they distribute the channel. Alternatively maybe Virgin get £1.00 of the £10.00 subscription fee with the other £9.00 going to Boxnation directly.

It's all very interesting, and way over my head. Nothing but pure speculation other than the fact that Boxnation are only providing the channel to SKY customers directly and not Virgin customers.

[dempseyjack]

Originally Posted by Chad

Well not for the first time I've been let down by Virgin. I requested my callback to subscribe to Boxnation between 9am and 12pm today and as expected I received no call. I chose today between 9 and 12 for a reason, it's the only time of the week I know 100%for sure I'll be at home ready to answer the phone.

Now I suppose I could reschedule my call for next Saturday at the same time but I'm concerned for 2 reasons. First of all what if the call doesn't come again? Secondly the display on channel 546 suggests it might take 24 hours to activate the subscription. With next Saturday being a massive night of boxing on Boxnation why should I run the risk of missing out because of a delay with my channel being activated?

I know Boxnation read this thread so I want them to understand that if this is happening to me, if will undoubtedly be happening to other Virgin customers too. The success of Boxnation will be based on the volume of subscribers, and the longevity of those subscribers keeping the service. Virgin are not helping Boxnation at all.

Personally I hate when someone promises to do something and they don't see it through. I took the time to log my details with Virgin and they haven't had the decency to contact me at all. I know the details I provided are accurate as I kept a screen grab of the info just in case this happened and I had to complain.

Does anyone have a number I can call Virgin on to add Boxnation to my subscription? I am not prepared to request another callback as I have no faith in the callback being received.

Out of interest, has anyone else not received their phonecall at the time and date they requested?

hi i to have had no call backs from virgin tried 3 times, i phoned virgin on my home phone on 150 and they were not very helpfull at all , they said i couldnt register till the first , :mad

[Chad]

[QUOTE=denphone;35335787]

Originally Posted by AZIMUTH

As far as l know ESPN have most of the rights to classic fights of the past.

http://www.frankwarren.tv/index.php/...oxnation-.html

"There will be daily fight news updates and an extensive archive bringing back classic fights from home and abroad and featuring some of the world's greatest ever boxers including Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, Sugar Ray Leonard and many more."

I'll have a root around as I specifically remember something being published online confirming Golden Boy Promotions would be providing action from their archive as would KOTV. Whilst ESPN have a great classic archive do not underestimate how much footage KOTV own the rights too. Once I have the link I'll post it.

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by Chad

I've just been thinking about what Boxnation told you, and the following from the bottom of this page:

http://www.virginmediaentertainment....n/Default.aspx

"Premium TV Services are provided to you by Virgin Media Entertainment".

So just like SKY Sports, SKY Movies etc... when you subscribe to Boxnation you aren't actually getting then service from them at all. Virgin are providing the channel. So it will be true that Virgin are in control of any promotional incentives, and I suppose the actual price on their own platform. So if you take Boxnation you aren't actually a Boxnation customer. Virgin are the customer of Boxnation. We are simply consumers.

I wonder how the carriage deal works? Maybe Virgin pay Boxnation a flat rate to carry the channel each month regardless of how many subscribers it gets i.e. £50,000 per month. Virgin then essentially have complete control how they distribute the channel. Alternatively maybe Virgin get £1.00 of the £10.00 subscription fee with the other £9.00 going to Boxnation directly.

It's all very interesting, and way over my head. Nothing but pure speculation other than the fact that Boxnation are only providing the channel to SKY customers directly and not Virgin customers.

http://corporate.sky.com/skyviews/ed...oadcasting.htm

Unlike Virgin Media, the Sky platform is required by law to be open to all broadcasters

[Chad]

Originally Posted by dempseyjack

hi i to have had no call backs from virgin tried 3 times, i phoned virgin on my home phone on 150 and they were not very helpfull at all , they said i couldnt register till the first , :mad

Unfortunately this echoes my experience today. I've signed up again for a call on Monday night. If I don't hear anything I might have to go crazy Edwin Valero style

For anyone who doesn't know the Valero story:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8630196.stm

Also here's some footage of him in action. You'll see why he won all 27 of his fights by K.O!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrn5T...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI63_...eature=related

[thatllbeme]

one crazy mo fo!

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Chad

I've just been thinking about what Boxnation told you, and the following from the bottom of this page:

http://www.virginmediaentertainment....n/Default.aspx

"Premium TV Services are provided to you by Virgin Media Entertainment".

So just like SKY Sports, SKY Movies etc... when you subscribe to Boxnation you aren't actually getting then service from them at all. Virgin are providing the channel. So it will be true that Virgin are in control of any promotional incentives, and I suppose the actual price on their own platform. So if you take Boxnation you aren't actually a Boxnation customer. Virgin are the customer of Boxnation. We are simply consumers.

I wonder how the carriage deal works? Maybe Virgin pay Boxnation a flat rate to carry the channel each month regardless of how many subscribers it gets i.e. £50,000 per month. Virgin then essentially have complete control how they distribute the channel. Alternatively maybe Virgin get £1.00 of the £10.00 subscription fee with the other £9.00 going to Boxnation directly.

It's all very interesting, and way over my head. Nothing but pure speculation other than the fact that Boxnation are only providing the channel to SKY customers directly and not Virgin customers.

You may have hit the nail on the head!

[zekeisaszekedoes]

Wasn't aware of Valero... great bully style, tough chin as well by the look of it. Reminds me of a lightweight LaMotta which is no bad thing.

[Chad]

Originally Posted by zekeisaszekedoes

Wasn't aware of Valero... great bully style, tough chin as well by the look of it. Reminds me of a lightweight LaMotta which is no bad thing.

I didn't hear of him until 2008. He was already WBA World super featherweight champion at that point just about to make his move up to lightweight where he captured the WBC title. I managed to catch his fights via Youtube and other less reputable sites.

His brain surgery in 2001, prior to turning pro, really held him back. He struggled to fight in America with most of his career based in Venezeula, Mexico and Japan.

His aggressive in your face style, plus crazy punch power was a pleasure to watch. He could have been a massive name if he fought in the States more often. He's now in a short list of former world champions who's career ended without defeat.

Many say his head injuries from 2001, plus punches taken in the ring, may have caused demons which contributed to the violence towards his wife. There is also speculation cops killed him in his cell and made it look like suicide. I personally feel people are trying protect his legacy.

I don't condone what he done but becoming a 2 weight world champion by the age of 27, without really featuring in America is a massive accomplishment. 27 fights, 27 wins by K.O. is impressive.

One day someone will make a movie about this guy. His story is far too triumphant and dark for it not to be told.

Thinking back Valero was on the books of Golden Boy Promotions. Maybe Boxnation will repeat some of his fights? His first 18 ended in the first round. You could probably watch this guys whole career within 4 hours.


If you want to see a crazy K.O. check this out from last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzmY8KJY74Q

Best K.O. of 2011!

[Rivva]

Originally Posted by Chad

I didn't hear of him until 2008. He was already WBA World super featherweight champion at that point just about to make his move up to lightweight where he captured the WBC title. I managed to catch his fights via Youtube and other less reputable sites.

His brain surgery in 2001, prior to turning pro, really held him back. He struggled to fight in America with most of his career based in Venezeula, Mexico and Japan.

His aggressive in your face style, plus crazy punch power was a pleasure to watch. He could have been a massive name if he fought in the States more often. He's now in a short list of former world champions who's career ended without defeat.

Many say his head injuries from 2001, plus punches taken in the ring, may have caused demons which contributed to the violence towards his wife. There is also speculation cops killed him in his cell and made it look like suicide. I personally feel people are trying protect his legacy.

I don't condone what he done but becoming a 2 weight world champion by the age of 27, without really featuring in America is a massive accomplishment. 27 fights, 27 wins by K.O. is impressive.

One day someone will make a movie about this guy. His story is far too triumphant and dark for it not to be told.

Thinking back Valero was on the books of Golden Boy Promotions. Maybe Boxnation will repeat some of his fights? His first 18 ended in the first round. You could probably watch this guys whole career within 4 hours.


If you want to see a crazy K.O. check this out from last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzmY8KJY74Q

Best K.O. of 2011!

I remember you saying there was live boxing on Eurosport at 8pm on Friday and I said I'd record it just in case I was out or whatever. Am I glad I did record it because you won't see a better/crazy(the one you put on YT) KO than that in a while. The rest of the event wasn't too bad but that was definitely the highlight of the night...

I also recorded Boxing Super Fights that followed straight afterwards featuring = Roy Jones Jr - Michael Moorer - Fernando Vargas to name but a few "Brilliant" that's when it was worth watching..

[Chad]

Originally Posted by Rivva

I remember you saying there was live boxing on Eurosport at 8pm on Friday and I said I'd record it just in case I was out or whatever. Am I glad I did record it because you won't see a better/crazy(the one you put on YT) KO than that in a while. The rest of the event wasn't too bad but that was definitely the highlight of the night...

I also recorded Boxing Super Fights that followed straight afterwards featuring = Roy Jones Jr - Michael Moorer - Fernando Vargas to name but a few "Brilliant" that's when it was worth watching..

Last night KO was crazy. I didn't put it on Youtube but I spotted it there and thought people would enjoy it.

Boxing Super Fights can be pretty good at times. It just bugs me watching it on Eurosport HD. The picture defaults back to 4:3 with black bars down the sides. The HD logo hangs "off the screen"

So does this channel actually provide the boxing that so many fans have been missing out on since Sky began to milk the sport?