Premier League TV football choice 'upheld' by EU advice - Page 3

muppetman11 · 04-10-2011, 15:00

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...g-2365456.html

muppetman11 · 04-10-2011, 17:44

Could this happen ?

or devising a plan to start its own channel

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/ne...card-case.html

devilincarnate · 04-10-2011, 17:56

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Originally Posted by muppetman11

Could this happen ?

or devising a plan to start its own channel

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/ne...card-case.html

If it did happen SKY and ESPN would lose a lot of customers?

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"In practical terms, the Premier League will now have to decide how it wishes to re-tender its rights," said sports media lawyer Daniel Geey of Field Fisher Waterhouse solicitors.

"There can be little doubt it will have contingency plans ready to go and has various options available.

"Be it a pan-EU tender, selling in only certain EU member states or devising a plan to start its own channel, they will be deciding how best to maximise the value of their product to ensure any revenue shortfall is minimised."

The judges said the Premier League could not claim copyright over Premier League matches as they could not considered to be an author's own "intellectual creation" and, therefore, to be "works" for the purposes of EU copyright law.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15162241

So who knows what will happen?

muppetman11 · 04-10-2011, 18:08

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Originally Posted by devilincarnate

If it did happen SKY and ESPN would lose a lot of customers?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15162241

So who knows what will happen?

As would VM , Top Up TV and BT Vision especially if the channel was available on connected TV's and Youview, In a similar way to the MLBTV.

v0id · 04-10-2011, 20:20

I'm sure if they lifted the ban on screening footy at 3pm in this country, less people would turn to these foreign channels.
Honestly, this is one reason I cancelled my sky sports sub and now stream all games from the web. If Virginmedia ever stop including ESPN with the XL package, I'll drop that too.

denphone · 04-10-2011, 20:21

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Originally Posted by v0id

I'm sure if they lifted the ban on screening footy at 3pm in this country, less people would turn to these foreign channels.

Honestly, this is one reason I cancelled my sky sports sub and now stream all games from the web.

But is that legal.

sherer · 04-10-2011, 21:38

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Originally Posted by v0id

I'm sure if they lifted the ban on screening footy at 3pm in this country, less people would turn to these foreign channels.
Honestly, this is one reason I cancelled my sky sports sub and now stream all games from the web. If Virginmedia ever stop including ESPN with the XL package, I'll drop that too.

if they did that it would kill the lower leagues. No one would go to the games as they can watch top flight football instead.

Football is about far more than just the premier league

v0id · 05-10-2011, 14:48

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Originally Posted by sherer

Football is about far more than just the premier league

Not really if the team you support is IN the premiership

sherer · 05-10-2011, 19:14

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Originally Posted by v0id

Not really if the team you support is IN the premiership

it's a bit OT for this thread but without the football pyramid then there would be no talent for the top teams in the Premiership to field any players. Ok I know that will never happen but the top leagues need the leagues below them to survive with just a single league quality will go down and teams will have to import more and more players leading to high costs

TheDon · 05-10-2011, 19:52

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Originally Posted by sherer

it's a bit OT for this thread but without the football pyramid then there would be no talent for the top teams in the Premiership to field any players. Ok I know that will never happen but the top leagues need the leagues below them to survive with just a single league quality will go down and teams will have to import more and more players leading to high costs

Yes there would.

They already get to cherry pick the kids from the school systems. They aren't going to suddenly have a lack of kids wanting to try out for them. They'll still get the best youth prospects. Kids will still be playing youth level football.

Very few footballers come up through the divisions, the vast majority of decent kids end up in the youth systems for the top two leagues, and those leagues would be fine with televised 3pms.

You could even argue that with just one league, without revenue being distributed down the leagues (because lets face it the Premier League subsidises the rest of the leagues) the teams in the league would be stronger as there would be stability. Rather than the up down yoyoing of clubs they'd be able to really invest for the future from a guaranteed top flight income.

That's assuming that it'd actually kill the lower leagues anyway. Televised 3pms = more TV revenue = more revenue distributed to the lower leagues. It's not a fact that televising 3pms would kill the lower leagues at all, it could actually benefit them as there'd be more revenue to trickle down. I think it's insulting to people who watch lower league football to claim that they only do it because there's nothing else to watch, and they'd drop it in an instant if they could watch 3pms from the premier league on the telly, which is the entire argument against televising 3pms.

Hom3r · 05-10-2011, 20:03

I heard that Sky charge 2k per week to pub and clubs

denphone · 05-10-2011, 20:11

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

I heard that Sky charge 2k per week to pub and clubs

Yes the amounts they charge to pubs and clubs is astronomical.

Arthurgray50@blu · 05-10-2011, 20:30

A local pub from where l live, has had to give up Sky, as they charge per how big the pub is, and the landlady was saying that she had to pay over Â£1.000 per month, and there is no getting out of it.

Sky have a 'pint beer glass' stuck on the window with a bar code on it.

Sky will be very worried now, as they plan to appeal, but they will lose, as other pubs will get the football elsewhere.

and by the way Who the hell do think Sky are.

TheDon · 05-10-2011, 22:00

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

I heard that Sky charge 2k per week to pub and clubs

You heard wrong, it's high, but not that high.

They charge based on the rateable value of the property, which is a completely ridiculous way to do it as it has no correlation to the income of the business, with a few adjustments.

They cap the RV they take into account at Â£500,000, and then further adjust it at 100% of the first 15k, 23% of 15-200k, and 5% of 200-500k, so the maximum effective RV you can have is Â£72,550.

From that effective RV they work out the monthly subscription cost in a pence in the pound method, the highest package (with sky 3d, and all sports and movies) is 5.8 pence in the pound, which comes to Â£4,207.90, so around a grand a week.

But that's the absolute maximum, I doubt many pubs have a RV anywhere near that high, most will be under 50k and will be paying around 1k a month.