Arrest after suspected burglar is killed

denphone · 18-09-2011, 10:50

A 39-year-old man has been arrested after a suspected burglar was stabbed and died at a house in Bramhall, according to Greater Manchester Police

http://news.sky.com/home/article/16072164

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...oken-home.html

Russ · 18-09-2011, 10:56

On the basis we know next to nothing about this case, from the little we do know I'd say he may have a good chance of getting off this, or at leave getting off a murder charge.

He was attacked/burgled by 2 people which generally speaking usually means a weapon can be justified as self defence. As long as they hadn't agreed to leave the property and he stabbed them repeatedly on their way out or something daft like that they I can see this going his way.

Scary · 18-09-2011, 11:00

it happend to my family when i was 20 someone broke into my house and attacked my mum, so i did what i thought was right and defended her, maybe i hit him a few more times than what the law states as reasonable force but i didnt see it like that at the time when the police turned up they arrested me under a section 18, the charges were dropped, but still if a criminal is willing to brake into someones house then they should have the right to defend there family

Sirius · 18-09-2011, 11:11

The burglar should not have been in his house end of story.

Good luck to the house holder and thank you for removing another burglar from our streets.

deadite66 · 18-09-2011, 11:19

and the threat of a court case will hang over his head for over a month as the officious CPS fuss over a open and shut case.

whats the bet that the dead man was known to the police and had numerous arrests for criminal activity, revolving door justice.

Sirius · 18-09-2011, 11:21

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Originally Posted by deadite66

whats the bet that the dead man was known to the police and had numerous arrests for criminal activity, revolving door justice.

Indeed

Gary L · 18-09-2011, 11:39

Dead men can't talk. and the other one is just full of lies anyway.

budwieser · 18-09-2011, 13:38

Well done that Homeowner. The Dead man was where he should not have been. If he had`nt been there, he`d still probably be alive today.

mertle · 18-09-2011, 20:42

I accept its your right to protect and if it was self defence no question its reasonable.

My fear if this becomes more widespread then the worry is deteroration of situation as a whole. Burgulars wont stop they did'nt in america however what they did was they came tooled up either brandishing knifes or god forbid guns. Homeowners will then get bigger weapons to defend themselves next thing you know everyone got guns.

Could we deterorate to this level.

Arthurgray50@blu · 18-09-2011, 20:45

I have no sympathy for the burglar whatsoever, if a guy or girl breaks into my house, he will get thrown out of the first window, and my boot stuck to his goolies, so he won't run far.

Sirius · 18-09-2011, 20:54

The homeowner should be released from custody as i feel he has done nothing wrong.

**** bag burglars should not be in peoples houses it is that simple and i don't see any problem giving them a good kicking if they are. If they attack the owner with a knife then they should expect the same back and if they end up dead thats there problem.

Russ · 18-09-2011, 21:02

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Originally Posted by Sirius

The homeowner should be released from custody as i feel he has done nothing wrong.

**** bag burglars should not be in peoples houses it is that simple and i don't see any problem giving them a good kicking if they are. If they attack the owner with a knife then they should expect the same back and if they end up dead thats there problem.

The police need to be sure beyond any reasonable doubt that the guy he stabbed was not just someone who has wondered in to the wrong house, or already invited in to the premises.

The problem with knee-jerk reactions is it leaves too much to risk. Once the police have established all the facts then they guy should be released if it is proven he used reasonable force.

Sirius · 18-09-2011, 21:11

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Originally Posted by Russ

The police need to be sure beyond any reasonable doubt that the guy he stabbed was not just someone who has wondered in to the wrong house, or already invited in to the premises.

The problem with knee-jerk reactions is it leaves too much to risk. Once the police have established all the facts then they guy should be released if it is proven he used reasonable force.

I am 51 and have NEVER in all those years wondered in to the wrong house even when totally drunk.

Russ · 18-09-2011, 21:14

In fairness the law is not governed by your experiences (or lack of). Soldiers I'm sure would go in all guns blazing, police on the other hand prefer to establish facts first.

Stuart · 18-09-2011, 21:26

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Originally Posted by Sirius

The homeowner should be released from custody as i feel he has done nothing wrong.

**** bag burglars should not be in peoples houses it is that simple and i don't see any problem giving them a good kicking if they are. If they attack the owner with a knife then they should expect the same back and if they end up dead thats there problem.

That's a very black and white way of looking at the situation.

The problem is that when the Police go in, the only thing they know is that there are two people in the house, one alive one dead.

There could be any number of reasons the dead person was there, but the one who is alive could just claim he was burgling. The Police should not accept that claim at face value. The "burglar" may not have been a burglar and could have been there legitimately.

It is right that the Police arrested the man while they investigated what actually happened. It is also right that if it goes to court then the jury will probably slightly favour the houseowner when delivering a verdict (after all, a good percentage of them will be houseowners, and all of them will be able to imagine the pain of having their house invaded).