Riots - Page 79

Osem · 18-08-2011, 12:46

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Originally Posted by danielf

Considering that in this case nobody actually took up the offer to riot, would you be happy with a bill to the taxpayer of ~Â£160,000 as well?Yes, prison costs the taxpayer Â£40,000 per inmate per year, and we're locking up quite a few...

That's not from me. It's from Pinko Liberal, hand wringing, muesli eating and sandal wearing Guardianista Right Honourable Kenneth Clarke, Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice.

Yup but as has already been said they won't serve 4 years or anything like that so the bill won't be Â£160k. We have to set against the costs of justice, the massive costs of current and future rioting, looting, arson etc. if the sentences being handed down now aren't a serious deterrent.

Dude111 · 18-08-2011, 18:33

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Originally Posted by Chris

Some of these people are not well known for their brains, dude ...

Hehe yes,i have heard the phrase "Criminals are stupid" 100s of times

Hom3r · 18-08-2011, 18:43

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Originally Posted by Gary L

A defence lawyer said that the guide book has been thrown out the window.

That will get you 3 months

Dai · 18-08-2011, 19:24

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

That will get you 3 months

Unless it hit a judge, in which case you get life.

Derek · 19-08-2011, 12:46

Looks like normal service is resuming.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-14589259

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A judge has freed a woman who was jailed following last week's riots in Manchester.
Judge Andrew Gilbart QC said he was setting aside the prison sentence because Nevin had not actually taken part in the riots.

Ah well decent sentences were nice while they lasted.

**Damien** · 19-08-2011, 12:53

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Originally Posted by Derek

Looks like normal service is resuming.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-14589259

Ah well decent sentences were nice while they lasted.

Don't give disproportional sentences and then they are less likely to be successfully appealed. I don't imagine a prison sentence is usually given for handling stolen goods, especially not a term of 5 months. If they gave a fine and community service (as well as the fact they would have have a criminal record) then that's punishment and a contribution to society which exceeds the damage they did.

Derek · 19-08-2011, 12:56

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Originally Posted by Damien

If they gave a fine

Which won't be paid.

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Originally Posted by Damien

community service

Which won't get done and even if by some miracle they do turn up it only involves a few hours standing around smoking or looking for jobs or training courses on the internet.

**Damien** · 19-08-2011, 13:00

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Originally Posted by Derek

Which won't be paid.

Which won't get done and even if by some miracle they do turn up it only involves a few hours standing around smoking or looking for jobs or training courses on the internet.

Well if they don't pay for fine or serve the community service then hold them in contempt (or whatever law there is) and then chuck them in Jail. Prison shouldn't be the first resort for relatively minor crimes.

Osem · 19-08-2011, 13:02

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Originally Posted by Derek

Which won't be paid.

Which won't get done and even if by some miracle they do turn up it only involves a few hours standing around smoking or looking for jobs or training courses on the internet.

I sometimes wonder how people like you manage to carry on doing your job and knowing that in many cases the resulting punishments will not fit the crime and may even turn out to be non-existant.

to you matey!

danielf · 19-08-2011, 13:27

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Originally Posted by Derek

Looks like normal service is resuming.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-14589259

Ah well decent sentences were nice while they lasted.

Looks like Common Sense is prevailing at last.

Derek · 19-08-2011, 13:37

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Originally Posted by danielf

Looks like Common Sense is prevailing at last.

Balls. The riots ended because a: There were more cops on the street and the gloves came off and b: It was raining heavily.

The main reason they haven't flared up again IMO is it was widely broadcast that taking part meant jail. No community service, no pointless fine, no suspended sentence but a good long spell inside.

If the current sentencing policy for riots reverts back to jail being the exception then expect far more outbreaks of disorder in the coming months and years.

**Damien** · 19-08-2011, 13:53

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Originally Posted by Derek

Balls. The riots ended because a: There were more cops on the street and the gloves came off and b: It was raining heavily.

The main reason they haven't flared up again IMO is it was widely broadcast that taking part meant jail. No community service, no pointless fine, no suspended sentence but a good long spell inside.

If the current sentencing policy for riots reverts back to jail being the exception then expect far more outbreaks of disorder in the coming months and years.

She didn't take part in the looting or the riots. She accepted an item of clothing which she knew had been stolen in the riots by someone else. Still against the law but not worthy of 5 months inside a Prison cell.

Gary L · 19-08-2011, 13:54

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Originally Posted by Derek

Balls. The riots ended because a: There were more cops on the street and the gloves came off and b: It was raining heavily.

No no Derek. this was about the woman who was given a pair of stolen shorts and was sentenced to 5 months in jail. she's just been freed because the sentence was ridiculous.

**Maggy** · 19-08-2011, 14:46

I'd rather all those who were violent,caused damage,set fire to any property and assaulted the public and police got the long custodial sentences and those who profited second hand got the proportional sentencing their crime usually deserves.

danielf · 19-08-2011, 15:04

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Originally Posted by Derek

Balls. The riots ended because a: There were more cops on the street and the gloves came off and b: It was raining heavily.

The main reason they haven't flared up again IMO is it was widely broadcast that taking part meant jail. No community service, no pointless fine, no suspended sentence but a good long spell inside.

If the current sentencing policy for riots reverts back to jail being the exception then expect far more outbreaks of disorder in the coming months and years.

I've stated several times in this thread that I have absolutely no problem with those actually taking part in the riots/looting going to prison. Sure, it is unacceptable behaviour and needs to be dealt with and deterred. However, I previously listed this case as an example of where a prison sentence seems over the top because this woman was asleep when the looting took place.

Yes, looting = prison. No problem whatsoever.

I had a problem with this case as well as the exorbitant sentences handed down for some instances of inciting (4 years when nothing actually happened e.g.). I expect that sentence to be reduced as well, particularly as I read the other day that another person who called for a coop (or something like that) to be torched, only had to write a letter of apology.

I have never suggested that prison was not appropriate for actual looters.

Oh, and I hope this moron receives a lengthy prison spell as well.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...tudent-custody