Riots

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Stuart

Sorry, but I don't think your average 15 year old would be thinking of government cuts when he or she is looting a new phone/game console/pair of trainers.

In fact, I doubt that most of the rioters were thinking of anything more than what they could loot.

Seems to me that people who don't live in deprived areas and have decent prospects are less likely to go on a looting spree. Not that that is an excuse for what we've seen, but I do think there has to be more to this than simply 'because we can'.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Welshchris

Again Stuart i was just giving a quote of what a man said NOTHING to do with equality or racial and as i said if the man who had said it was white then it wouldnt have been taken in such a way and in a way thats sad because it shows how peoples mind works when they think of someone

Martin Luthor King = Black.

I just think of him as a man who forght for the rights of people.

Regardless of his colour, Martin Luther King was fighting for the rights of people. A fight that I agree with. A fight where, AFAIK, the rioters did not attack members of their own community.

IF the rioters last night had fought in Westminster, then I'd agree, they were targeting the government who you say they probably have the grievance with. They targeted areas (last night anyway) where there are a lot of mobile phone, consumer electronics and sports shops. They also targeted their own communities. In some cases, they targeted poor areas while saying they were targeting the rich.

[Welshchris]

Originally Posted by Gary L

LOL did anyone see that guy on Sky news just talking about Anarchists and parliament being next on the list?

anyone on here?

would never happen.

They would ring parliment buildings with everything they have and let the rest of us suffer before they saw those go up.

[Gary L]

Because those who are not in a deprived area are not your typical thug.
I think the real reasoning behind it is that they are doing it for the fun of it, and because it's been allowed to carry on for so long.

if you do talk to them about why they're doing it then poverty will and is being used as the excuse now. only because boredom as an excuse becomes boring to hear.

[Welshchris]

Originally Posted by Stuart

Regardless of his colour, Martin Luther King was fighting for the rights of people. A fight that I agree with. A fight where, AFAIK, the rioters did not attack members of their own community.

IF the rioters last night had fought in Westminster, then I'd agree, they were targeting the government who you say they probably have the grievance with. They targeted areas (last night anyway) where there are a lot of mobile phone, consumer electronics and sports shops. They also targeted their own communities. In some cases, they targeted poor areas while saying they were targeting the rich.

and how do we know that some of these people are not fighting for their people IE The Common Man?

As i said people were heard to be shouting "We are just getting our taxes back" during looting.

When people are being denied services, benfits and so on they have paid taxes for and yet see those who governs them living a lavish lifestyle in new cars and so on it will annoy most.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Welshchris

and how do we know that some of these people are not fighting for their people IE The Common Man?

As i said people were heard to be shouting "We are just getting our taxes back" during looting.

When people are being denied services, benfits and so on they have paid taxes for and yet see those who governs them living a lavish lifestyle in new cars and so on it will annoy most.

Perhaps they don't realise the common mans going to end up paying a lot more in tax and hiked insurance premiums to cover the cost of these peoples antics, I'm prepared to bet thought that the fortunes of the common man and his plight are of little consequence to all but the smallest number of rioters.

Welshchris i am sorry but are you for real seriously your equating political knowledge with this bunch of morons who probably have more knowledge of ceebeebees then westminster come off it. This has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with a generation that has grown up thinking they can do what the hell they want when they want and nothing more detailed then that.

Should the military be bought into this right now no give the police the chance to use large numbers to overpower this bunch of troublemakers. Now if we have problems tonight then the last resort of the police option is to take off the gloves untie their hands from behind their backs and let them go full in and crack some heads. If that also fails then like it or not military involvement in this has got to happen we cannot allow our capital to be held to ransom by a gang of thugs.

Never underestimate the psychological fear factor of troops rolling in heavy armour fully suited and booted for trouble we are not dealing with true believers here were dealing with mindless thugs who only like the odds when it is clearly in their favour. Seeing a bunch of heavily armed troops i gaurantee will end this quick sharp as they are not up for trouble against anyone who can give back more then they can deal out hell they leg it from a bunch of shopkeepers with bats and kitchen knives.

You honestly think they are going to see a few hundred troops armed and fancy their chances are they hell. If nothing else you can position military to keep some areas calm allowing you to free up more officers to go elsewhere. Hard and fast should become the new mantra and any officer enegaging an active rioter should not have to be worrying about their job.

How do you make sure you do not hit innocents simples you go on tele you announce to everyone that you have had enough anyone on the steets after a certain time is considered to be a member of the troubles and will be dealt with accordingly. It isn't nice it isn't perfect but if we take the time to come up with both of those our cities will be burning down around us.

Enough is enough of this the time has come for whatever force necessary to be used to end this once and for all this is not the true representation of the ountry we live in this is not a representation of the massive majority in this country and it HAS TO STOP NOW.

[eto]

so who is the rioters' candidate for office after they get Cameron out

Some bloke called Reg ?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso

[Welshchris]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Perhaps they don't realise the common mans going to end up paying a lot more in tax and hiked insurance premiums to cover the cost of these peoples antics, I'm prepared to bet thought that the fortunes of the common man and his plight are of little consequence to all but the smallest number of rioters.

Do people realise that tho? all they want is what they can get.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Welshchris

Do people realise that tho? all they want is what they can get.

Exactly, they are for the common man as much as Dave and his Eaton chums are.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Welshchris

and how do we know that some of these people are not fighting for their people IE The Common Man?

As i said people were heard to be shouting "We are just getting our taxes back" during looting.

When people are being denied services, benfits and so on they have paid taxes for and yet see those who governs them living a lavish lifestyle in new cars and so on it will annoy most.

How does looting small independant businesses for booze etc stick it to the government? While I am no great fan of large business, how does looting Debenhams, or Sony stick it to the government? One of the businesses burned down in Croydon was a 150 year old furniture shop that employed 15 people. How does depriving the families of those 15 people of their jobs (and therefore income) stick it to the government?

Sorry, but what these rioters did cannot be justified. Simply put, it was pure evil.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Mick

Just on the news that Police may be issued Plastic bullets for tonight ...

Not according to the man in Scotland Yard. they don't use them anymore he said.

[Welshchris]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Welshchris i am sorry but are you for real seriously your equating political knowledge with this bunch of morons who probably have more knowledge of ceebeebees then westminster come off it. This has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with a generation that has grown up thinking they can do what the hell they want when they want and nothing more detailed then that.

Should the military be bought into this right now no give the police the chance to use large numbers to overpower this bunch of troublemakers. Now if we have problems tonight then the last resort of the police option is to take off the gloves untie their hands from behind their backs and let them go full in and crack some heads. If that also fails then like it or not military involvement in this has got to happen we cannot allow our capital to be held to ransom by a gang of thugs.

Never underestimate the psychological fear factor of troops rolling in heavy armour fully suited and booted for trouble we are not dealing with true believers here were dealing with mindless thugs who only like the odds when it is clearly in their favour. Seeing a bunch of heavily armed troops i gaurantee will end this quick sharp as they are not up for trouble against anyone who can give back more then they can deal out hell they leg it from a bunch of shopkeepers with bats and kitchen knives.

You honestly think they are going to see a few hundred troops armed and fancy their chances are they hell. If nothing else you can position military to keep some areas calm allowing you to free up more officers to go elsewhere. Hard and fast should become the new mantra and any officer enegaging an active rioter should not have to be worrying about their job.

How do you make sure you do not hit innocents simples you go on tele you announce to everyone that you have had enough anyone on the steets after a certain time is considered to be a member of the troubles and will be dealt with accordingly. It isn't nice it isn't perfect but if we take the time to come up with both of those our cities will be burning down around us.

Enough is enough of this the time has come for whatever force necessary to be used to end this once and for all this is not the true representation of the ountry we live in this is not a representation of the massive majority in this country and it HAS TO STOP NOW.

Our troops are seriously under equiped against people in deserts do u think the Government would be happy splashing out money to better equip them?

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Originally Posted by Stuart

How does looting small independant businesses for booze etc stick it to the government? While I am no great fan of large business, how does looting Debenhams, or Sony stick it to the government? One of the businesses burned down in Croydon was a 150 year old furniture shop that employed 15 people. How does depriving the families of those 15 people of their jobs (and therefore income) stick it to the government?

Sorry, but what these rioters did cannot be justified. Simply put, it was pure evil.

just by causing the civil unrest and public damage would stick it to them as i said im not stating its right im just stating possible reasons.

Originally Posted by Welshchris

As i said people were heard to be shouting "We are just getting our taxes back" during looting.

Yes, Because Currys are a key recipient of our taxes

Originally Posted by Welshchris

When people are being denied services, benfits and so on they have paid taxes for and yet see those who governs them living a lavish lifestyle in new cars and so on it will annoy most.

Because they worked for them.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Not according to the man in Scotland Yard. they don't use them anymore he said.

It would help if you actually watched or read the news.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-23332124/

Police are prepared to use plastic bullets on rioters across the capital tonight if violence continues.
The live baton rounds - non-lethal plastic bullets never used before during British disturbances - have been considered as "one of the tactics'' available.
Deputy Assistant Commissioner Steve Kavanagh of the Metropolitan police told The Guardian: "If we need to, we will do so."