14-07-2011, 19:36
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Re: TiVo Communication
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Like has been said Sky are not obliged to offer VM all there channels but they do as they understand its good for customers either VM or sky so they do it.
Its a shame VM dont have the same mentallity as Sky and open up there network.
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Not strictly true , VM gained access to the Sky HD channels as part of the VMTV channel sale and the Sky Sports channels were referred to OFCOM. Weres Sky Sports 3 and 4 HD and Sky Atlantic.
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14-07-2011, 19:37
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Re: TiVo Communication
am i correct in saying that us virgin customers still have to pay sky for there channels via virgin therefore sky coin a good bit of cash out the deal really.
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14-07-2011, 19:39
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Re: TiVo Communication
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Originally Posted by muppetman11
Not strictly true , VM gained access to the Sky HD channels as part of the VMTV channel sale and the Sky Sports channels were referred to OFCOM. Weres Sky Sports 3 and 4 HD and Sky Atlantic.
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Sky ATLANTIC-HD is on channel 108 and Skysports 3&4HD are on channels 403/404 lol.
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14-07-2011, 19:41
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Re: TiVo Communication
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Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf
Like has been said Sky are not obliged to offer VM all there channels but they do as they understand its good for customers either VM or sky so they do it.
Its a shame VM dont have the same mentallity as Sky and open up there network.
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There's a difference between channels, which broadcast content, and a broadband network. Virgin used to own a number of television channels before they sold them to BSkyB. Prior to that they were resold through Sky's television packages. Virgin could have chosen to restrict Bravo, for example, and only offered it through the Virgin Media cable TV platform. Some channels that are available on Sky's TV platform aren't available on Virgin Media's.
There probably wouldn't be any commercial benefit of Virgin Media deciding to open up their broadband network to anyone else, for anyone. Sky can still offer multiple broadband solutions anywhere Virgin Media can, through OpenReach.
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14-07-2011, 19:41
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Re: TiVo Communication
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Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf
Sky ATLANTIC-HD is on channel 108 and Skysports 3&4HD are on channels 403/404 lol.
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Great constructive reply 
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14-07-2011, 19:43
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Re: TiVo Communication
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Originally Posted by Colin_G
am i correct in saying that us virgin customers still have to pay sky for there channels via virgin therefore sky coin a good bit of cash out the deal really.
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Of course Sky get paid for their channels by Virgin Media. They don't have to give them to Virgin Media for free, allowing Virgin Media to reap 100% of the reward for that. 
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14-07-2011, 19:44
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Re: TiVo Communication
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Sky ATLANTIC-HD is on channel 108 and Skysports 3&4HD are on channels 403/404 lol.
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14-07-2011, 19:44
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Re: TiVo Communication
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Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf
Sky ATLANTIC-HD is on channel 108 and Skysports 3&4HD are on channels 403/404 lol.
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Clearly he meant "where on Virgin Media's platform".
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14-07-2011, 19:44
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Re: TiVo Communication
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Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf
Sky was built with private money but its still FORCED to give VM its content. Why isnt VM forced to open its network. In a fair world sky keeps its channels OFF virginmedia and VM keeps its network closed.
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Simple - there are many BB providers. There is only one provider of Sky channels.
VM do not have a monopoly on BB. Therefore no enquiry by regulators is required in regards to VM's own assets.
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14-07-2011, 19:48
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Re: TiVo Communication
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Of course Sky get paid for their channels by Virgin Media. They don't have to give them to Virgin Media for free, allowing Virgin Media to reap 100% of the reward for that. |
Just clicked th elink in your sig, when I had vm 100mb I was getting around 102mb and a ping of 9ms, you may have a problem.
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Clearly he meant "where on Virgin Media's platform".
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OH IN THAT CASE.
Virgin dont have them channels.
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14-07-2011, 19:49
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Re: TiVo Communication
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Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf
Just clicked th elink in your sig, when I had vm 100mb I was getting around 102mb and a ping of 9ms, you may have a problem.
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It's just a speedtest, to indicate that near 100Mbit is possible via Wi-Fi, and not meant to be a indication of constant and overall performance.
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OH IN THAT CASE.
Virgin dont have them channels.
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Therefore, obviously, Sky don't offer all of their channels to Virgin Media at the moment.
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14-07-2011, 20:18
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Re: TiVo Communication
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So why cant sky rent VM's network space?
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If memory serves, didn't AOL offer their services over the NTL infrasturcture a number of years ago?
I'm sure if the price was right VM would happily take money from Sky, and then introduce some BB products 'exclusive' to VM customers. Imagine how all the Sky fanboys would cry foul then...
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14-07-2011, 20:23
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Re: TiVo Communication
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If memory serves, didn't AOL offer their services over the NTL infrasturcture a number of years ago?
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Yes, it seems they did. Here's one article about it.
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I'm sure if the price was right VM would happily take money from Sky, and then introduce some BB products 'exclusive' to VM customers. Imagine how all the Sky fanboys would cry foul then...
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Yes, they probably would. However Sky possibly wouldn't do it, through fear of enticing their customers to switch TV product as well (i.e. from Sky TV via digital satellite to Virgin Media cable TV). AOL didn't have anything to lose and, at the time, saw a value in their online content therefore bundleing with as many broadband connections as possible made commercial sense.
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14-07-2011, 20:24
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Re: TiVo Communication
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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth
If memory serves, didn't AOL offer their services over the NTL infrasturcture a number of years ago?
I'm sure if the price was right VM would happily take money from Sky, and then introduce some BB products 'exclusive' to VM customers. Imagine how all the Sky fanboys would cry foul then...
Cheers
Grim
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I doubt VM have the capacity to cope with Sky BB customers as there are already contention issues on the network.
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14-07-2011, 20:25
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Re: TiVo Communication
Is it me or is everyone feeding one person's ego,(not deliberately of course) in this forum of late.
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