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[Charliedontsurf]

Originally Posted by denphone

Because they have signed carriage agreements with them and also because of Ofcoms intervention which was because of Skys distorted market power.

So virginmedia can use BT's network in some areas, can have access to content sky fought hard to get, but it doesnt need to let anyone use any of its own assets?

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf

Source?

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This is true, VM put a list of things to happen on the Community Forum a while back, Sky have changed their commercial agreement, to allow VM's TiVo to show it's programmes in the video window within the EPG.

[Charliedontsurf]

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

This is true, VM put a list of things to happen on the Community Forum a while back, Sky have changed their commercial agreement, to allow VM's TiVo to show it's programmes in the video window within the EPG.

So virginmedia can use BT's network in some areas, can have access to content sky fought hard to get, but it doesnt need to let anyone use any of its own assets?

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf

So virginmedia can use BT's network in some areas, can have access to content sky fought hard to get, but it doesnt need to let anyone use any of its own assets?

What are you talking about? I'm referring to post #35, to which you had asked for a source.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

What are you talking about?

Nothing thats adds anything useful to the discussion.

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by denphone

Nothing thats adds anything useful to the discussion.

indeed

[Charliedontsurf]

Can anyone answer

So virginmedia can use BT's network in some areas, can have access to content sky fought hard to get, but it doesnt need to let anyone use any of its own assets.why?

[zantarous]

What do you mean fought hard to get? Sky doesn't just give its content away, VM, BT and Talk Talk pay for that content.

BT was built by the tax payer VM was built using private money, they haven't even paid back the initial investment.

[Charliedontsurf]

Originally Posted by zantarous

What do you mean fought hard to get? Sky doesn't just give its content away, VM, BT and Talk Talk pay for that content.

BT was built by the tax payer VM was built using private money, they haven't even paid back the initial investment.

Sky was built with private money but its still FORCED to give VM its content. Why isnt VM forced to open its network. In a fair world sky keeps its channels OFF virginmedia and VM keeps its network closed.

[davidthornton]

Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf

Can anyone answer

So virginmedia can use BT's network in some areas

It's OpenReach's network, owned by BT Group. Originally a state monopoly. Any qualifying telecom company can access it, provided they meet the criteria. That includes BT Retail, Sky, Virgin Media, IDnet telecom, TalkTalk and many others. All of these, if they meet the criteria, can offer many Wholesale products offered by OpenReach including ADSL, LLU ADSL, FTTC and telephony.

can have access to content sky fought hard to get

Ask OFCOM and the Competition Commision. Sky don't have to supply all their content to anyone. They choose to supply some of it because it makes commercial sense to sell it via multiple sources. They don't currently offer Sky Atlantic but in the future they may well do.

but it doesnt need to let anyone use any of its own assets.why?

Virgin Media doesn't have a monopoly on anything. Here's an article about Sky Sports appearing on BT Vision. Sky have the monopoly on some sport so they are prevented from only selling it via their own delivery system (i.e. Sky Digital Satellite TV) because if they weren't they could use their sports acquistions as a hook to get more customers to sign up for their delivery system. OFCOM consider it sensible for there to be multiple viable delivery systems of media in the UK.

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Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf

Sky was built with private money but its still FORCED to give VM its content. Why isnt VM forced to open its network. In a fair world sky keeps its channels OFF virginmedia and VM keeps its network closed.

Sky isn't forced to sell (i.e. not give) all of its content to anyone it doesn't wish to sell it to. Sky Atlantic is an example. However Sky doesn't own some content (e.g. Premiership Football). It simply has the rights to air it and the conditions of anyone owning those rights is that it has to sell it to delivery platforms, including ones it doesn't own, at a fair price. It doesn't have to sell its movie channels to Virgin Media but it choses to do so because it make commercial sense.

[Charliedontsurf]

Originally Posted by davidthornton

It's OpenReach's network, owned by BT Group. Originally a state monopoly. Any qualifying telecom company can access it, provided they meet the criteria. That includes BT Retail, Sky, Virgin Media, IDnet telecom, TalkTalk and many others. All of these, if they meet the criteria, can offer many Wholesale products offered by OpenReach including ADSL, LLU ADSL, FTTC and telephony.

Ask OFCOM and the Competition Commision. Sky don't have to supply all their content to anyone. They chose to supply some of it because it makes commercial sense to sell it via multiple sources. They don't currently offer Sky Atlantic but in the future they may well do.

Virgin Media doesn't have a monopoly on anything. Here's an article about Sky Sports appearing on BT Vision. Sky have the monopoly on some sport so they are prevented from only selling it via their own delivery system (i.e. Sky Digital Satellite TV) because if they weren't they could use their sports acquistions as a hook to get more customers to sign up for their delivery system. OFCOM consider it sensible for there to be multiple viable delivery systems of media in the UK.

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Sky isn't forced to sell (i.e. not give) all of its content to anyone it doesn't wish to sell it to. Sky Atlantic is an example. However Sky doesn't own some content (e.g. Premiership Football). It simply has the rights to air it and the conditions of anyone owning those rights is that it has to sell it to delivery platforms, including ones it doesn't own, at a fair price. It doesn't have to sell its movie channels to Virgin Media but it choses to do so because it make commercial sense.

Like I said why doesnt Virginmedia allow sky access to its network.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf

Like I said why doesnt Virginmedia allow sky access to its network.

Because it is a network that has been paid for out of its own money and Sky do not own their own broadband network but rents it.

[Charliedontsurf]

Originally Posted by denphone

Because it is a network that has been paid for out of its own money and Sky do not own their own broadband network but rents it.

So why cant sky rent VM's network space?

[davidthornton]

Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf

Like I said why doesnt Virginmedia allow sky access to its network.

Virgin Media is not obliged to allow anyone to access it's telecom and broadband network because it is not a monopoly. OpenReach is obliged to offer service, through a telecom provider, to anyone in the UK at a fair price. The network has a monopoly on service. That is why OpenReach and BT Retail were seperated and the OpenReach network was opened up to other telecom providers. The network was originally funded largely by the tax payer.

Virgin Media, in contrast, has built a telecoms network, funded privately, in selected regions of the UK. It is not obliged to offer service to anyone within those areas because it is not a monopoly unlike OpenReach. It doesn't offer any other telecoms company access to its telecom network because OFCOM doesn't mandate that it must. The same applies to Kingston Communications in Hull.

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Originally Posted by Charliedontsurf

So why cant sky rent VM's network space?

OFCOM doesn't oblige them to because Virgin Media built the network privately. BSkyB haven't built a telecom network, although they purchased Easynet which is a telecoms company. Sky could offer FTTC via OpenReach's FTTC wholesale product in areas where it is available, as many other ISPs also do. BT Retail offer a product branded as Infinity which is just one offering of FTTC (but often confused as the only solution).

[Charliedontsurf]

Originally Posted by davidthornton

Virgin Media is not obliged to allow anyone to access it's telecom and broadband network because it is not a monopoly. OpenReach is obliged to offer service, through a telecom provider, to anyone in the UK at a fair price. The network has a monopoly on service. That is why OpenReach and BT Retail were seperated and the OpenReach network was opened up to other telecom providers. The network was originally funded largely by the tax payer.

Virgin Media, in contrast, has built a telecoms network, funded privately, in selected regions of the UK. It is not obliged to offer service to anyone within those areas because it is not a monopoly unlike OpenReach. It doesn't offer any other telecoms company access to its telecom network because OFCOM doesn't mandate that it must. The same applies to Kingston Communications in Hull.

Like has been said Sky are not obliged to offer VM all there channels but they do as they understand its good for customers either VM or sky so they do it.

Its a shame VM dont have the same mentallity as Sky and open up there network.