1gb speeds on the horizon?

Phil-ntl · 20-05-2011, 17:52

Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere but this seemed the most appropriate place........

Just been browsing tbb and found this article: New fibre broadband provider to be launched by BE founders

20mb 10mb and 1gb speeds on the way or simply hot air.

Discuss......

Ignitionnet · 20-05-2011, 21:58

Not for most, and perfectly viable due to the business model.

Quote:

"We will not do full UK coverage," Ivanovic said. "The business case for this model relies on high density of the end customers, where one fibre [services] a number of end users. More than 50 flats in one continuing area is where we're focusing."

nick2xuk · 27-05-2011, 20:26

Similar to how ask4 provide connectivity if they go down the route of FTTP instead of FTTH.

TJS · 28-05-2011, 16:33

Hopefully not long untill england is up there with the rest of europe

http://www.netindex.com/download/2,4/United-Kingdom/

Interesting to check up on every couple of months; in 2011 average speed has risen from 9 mb/s to just under 11

BomberAF · 27-06-2011, 11:14

Apart from business users I fail to see what practical use anyone could find for 100Mbps broadband.

Ramrod · 28-06-2011, 20:05

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Originally Posted by BomberAF

Apart from business users I fail to see what practical use anyone could find for 100Mbps broadband.

Yeah......ok

qasdfdsaq · 29-06-2011, 03:10

Business users tend to be fairly light users of broadband to be honest, compared to home users. They need neither speed or high usage caps but rather reliability (unless online services are a core part of their business, at which point broadband isn't suitable, get a leased line).

As far as consumer "need", you don't "need" 100mb any more than you "need" 50mb or 30mb. Anything you "need" to do real-time can pretty much done with 10mb or less. Anything more makes downloads go faster but how much do you "need" to download a file in 10 minutes any more than you "need" it in 20 or 30 minutes?

Quad-HD streaming on youtube only takes 20mb and 1080p 3D takes 10mb. That's the highest real-time bandwidth consumer I can think of.

BomberAF · 29-06-2011, 14:40

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Business users tend to be fairly light users of broadband to be honest, compared to home users. They need neither speed or high usage caps but rather reliability (unless online services are a core part of their business, at which point broadband isn't suitable, get a leased line).

As far as consumer "need", you don't "need" 100mb any more than you "need" 50mb or 30mb. Anything you "need" to do real-time can pretty much done with 10mb or less. Anything more makes downloads go faster but how much do you "need" to download a file in 10 minutes any more than you "need" it in 20 or 30 minutes?

Quad-HD streaming on youtube only takes 20mb and 1080p 3D takes 10mb. That's the highest real-time bandwidth consumer I can think of.

Sorry but I fail to see how a 3D film can be streamed and viewed at 10Mb.

qasdfdsaq · 30-06-2011, 02:30

Nobody said anything about film, though even then it'd be fairly easy. Try it and see, or just do the basic math yourself.

BomberAF · 02-07-2011, 12:46

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Nobody said anything about film, though even then it'd be fairly easy. Try it and see, or just do the basic math yourself.

Okay then to be more precise. I fail to see how you can stream a 3D film and watch it straight away without having to wait for it to buffer.

You are looking at at least 4.5GB of data, and to download at 10Mbps would take several hours. There is the maths, simples.

qasdfdsaq · 02-07-2011, 16:11

The bitrate of youtube 3D at 1080p (like I said) is 10mbps. Therefore you will stream in realtime without waiting for it to buffer at... surprise surprise... 10mbps. I never said anything about downloading or buffering or connection speed. The video stream itself is 10mbps.

Given the bitrate of quad-1080p is 20mbps, half of that, i.e. dual-1080p can easily fit into 10mbps.

I'm not sure where you get your math skills from, but 4.5GB of data would not take several hours to download, it'd take 1 hour, one minute, and 26 seconds at exactly 10mbps, or far shorter than your average movie. I don't know where you pulled 4.5GB from either, but a 90-minute movie at 10mbps is ~6.6GB.

Welshchris · 03-07-2011, 02:31

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Originally Posted by BomberAF

Apart from business users I fail to see what practical use anyone could find for 100Mbps broadband.

i wouldnt go by that as its only counted users thats visited the website which will proberbly be a lot lower than the number of people on broadband in the UK.

TJS · 03-07-2011, 10:40

Edit: Long winded post warning....

People saying they cant see a need for this. Bear in mind back in 2001 we got broadband which ran at 1.8 mb/s and people were saying how thees no need for internet that fast and stuff LOL

Or 2004 when we got a dual 2.5 GHZ mac pro with 2 GB of ram and people couldnt get their head arround why we would need 2 GB of ram or 2 x 2.5 ghz cpu.

Now a Â£350 laptop comes with 2+ ghz dualcore + 3 GB of ram and the average speed across the u.k. is 5 mb/s

my (longwinded) point being is things change so you should be glad people are trailing 1 gb speeds so were ready for when its needed.

also above about the 1080p i'm sure there will be a new standard hd resolution a fw year from now, with screens getting so big now the resolution/screensize gap is closing in on old tvs

there are already videos on youtube shot in 4096p (I know that they were done with RED cameras whcih are pro, but thats how 1080 started off)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0m1XmvBey8

on the quality options click 'original'

It had to stream at 42 MB/s just to buffer slightly ahead of the video

qasdfdsaq · 03-07-2011, 13:14

Agreed, just because we don't need it now doesn't mean we never will. There are plenty of applications that we currently only dream of using across the internet because speeds are too slow.

Oh, and 4K video is not 4096p, its 2304p. There's nothing on Youtube shot at 4096p, that'd be 7280x4096.

BomberAF · 04-07-2011, 10:00

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

The bitrate of youtube 3D at 1080p (like I said) is 10mbps. Therefore you will stream in realtime without waiting for it to buffer at... surprise surprise... 10mbps. I never said anything about downloading or buffering or connection speed. The video stream itself is 10mbps.

Given the bitrate of quad-1080p is 20mbps, half of that, i.e. dual-1080p can easily fit into 10mbps.

I'm not sure where you get your math skills from, but 4.5GB of data would not take several hours to download, it'd take 1 hour, one minute, and 26 seconds at exactly 10mbps, or far shorter than your average movie. I don't know where you pulled 4.5GB from either, but a 90-minute movie at 10mbps is ~6.6GB.

I don't know where your getting your HD 3D films from at anything less than 4.5Gbps. Every blue ray film I have is 4.5GB, so a 3D film would be at least that.

And back to the point, you WOULD have to wait for it to buffer, and we are not talking about youtube, we are talking proper 3D quality, which equates to 2 HD broadcasts played in sync with each other.,