Ghosts

[idi banashapan]

Originally Posted by Barewolf

omg bana have you even read my other posts?

i never said a ghost turned my cat into a person.

from what ive read a ghost is energy, so its possible it could have moved that plank, maybe it didnt move it on purpose, i dont know, i didnt ask iti really dont know why my cats involved who started saying this was my cat?

did I read this wrong? I'm willing to accept i did, which is probable!...

Originally Posted by Barewolf

how can my cat change into a figure of a human? i saw that so i know it wasnt my cat.

and how can a cat move a 40lb plank of wood?

what you've read on 'ghost energy'??? this is getting more ridiculous by the minute in my opinion. funny though. I am 'lol'ing! you really really need to get this ghost thing out of your head before it properly screws you up

Originally Posted by Barewolf

anyway, i know im not going to get a video of this ghost but perhaps we can get some kind of evidence.

why do you think you're not going to get a video of the ghost?

[danielf]

did you get out of bed the wrong side today or you trying to wind me up?

what else would i refer to her as?

Nope. Got out of bed as usual.

May I ask how old the gf is?

[idi banashapan]

Originally Posted by danielf

Nope. Got out of bed as usual.

May I ask how old the gf is?

37

[Barewolf]

Originally Posted by idi banashapan

what you've read on 'ghost energy'??? this is getting more ridiculous by the minute in my opinion. funny though. I am 'lol'ing! you really really need to get this ghost thing out of your head before it properly screws you up

Im being light hearted about it, if you knew me you would know that, however i am serious about this "Ghost", perhaps it isnt a ghost i really dont know, but from what i have read online, ghosts are energy.

it wont screw me up because im not letting it bother me to the point where it would screw me up.

did I read this wrong?...

no, did i?

why are you not going to get a video of the ghost?

as i said im being light hearted about it, lets face it, i aint going to capture it on video, so theres no point trying. the reason i want to get some investigation into the matter is to see if anyone can capture any scientific evidence. IE; temp readings, perhaps research the history of the property etc

you never know though they might capture something on video, whos to say? very unlikely but its not impossible

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Originally Posted by idi banashapan

37

she looks 27 but youre wrong, see..you dont know everything after all

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Originally Posted by danielf

Nope. Got out of bed as usual.

May I ask how old the gf is?

does it matter? shes older than me but looks younger than me

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im about to set up my camera in the lounge, so if i do capture anything i will youtube it

[idi banashapan]

i was joking about her age btw, in light of earlier conversation about you being a grandad at 36, but they're not your grandchildren, but hers because she is older... and stuff.

[Barewolf]

Originally Posted by idi banashapan

i was joking about her age btw, in light of earlier conversation about you being a grandad at 36, but they're not your grandchildren, but hers because she is older... and stuff.

im not offended, but i cant refer to my "stepdaughters daughter" in any other way than my "grandaughter" i dont know what else i could call her.

I suppose i could say step grandaughter, but who actually says that?

[adzii_nufc]

Am I going to be the first to say.

IT IS impossible.

Looks like Paranormal Activity 3 is getting an early release.



Ghosts come in one form – that just happens to be human - which is conveniently what we bipedal-chimps want to see, and not say a dead cow hovering at the end of ones bed. Have you ever heard of the legend of oceans being haunted by ghostly plankton?

Purportedly ghosts have the ‘magical’ capabilities to travel through walls, levitate etc. Powers they didn’t have when they were alive. They move objects all the time – but never get behind the wheels of a car and drive, type a letter on a computer or light-up a Bensons and Hedges. When it comes to interacting with humans all ghosts want to do is scare the **** out of the living in the dead of night or flash their tits at us in photos. Aimless activity, no-one has been able to detect with any surety.

Ghosts love hotels and pubs. When you die you head immediately to ‘your local’ for a pint. How else could you explain the disproportionately high number of pubs that are haunted? And it’s always old pubs that act as magnets to the living dead, rather than a Five Star Hilton

Seeing that potentially we living-humans share the planet with 60 billion spirits, comprising all of humanities dead – where do these hordes of living-dead spend their time? I mean where do they live? Caves? The bottom of the ocean? The stratosphere? Six to a house?

Last but not least – there is not a shred of evidence

Any chance of a carbon monoxide leak in your house?

[AdamD]

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

Last but not least – there is not a shred of evidence

I used to think and say the same thing when people asked why I didn't believe in god, but at that time in my life, I was young and rather close minded to anything that there wasn't undeniable proof of.

I'm glad I grew up and became more open minded about things.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Barewolf. Ghosts don't exist, you can relax.

I don't think it's appropriate to claim your opinion as fact.

Just because you don't believe, or haven't witnessed something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Ghosts do exist, l have seen one and there is one in my house, and has been for 20 years and she drives us nuts.

We have called in priests everything, we even called Living Tv, but they didn't get back to us, so there crap, and don't watch it anymore.

It was a woman who hanged herself on the stairs, our dog saw the ghost and tried desperately to get it out, but it won't budge, we often see things going on, but we are so used to it now,

But the other ghost l drive through in Oxford, very near Cumley le Stanley, l was driving home from work with a mate and he shouted 'arth stop' l went through it, and it looked human, it was an old man with a dog, and l heard a thump, stopped, and couldn't see anything, called the police, and explained what happened.

He stated that it happens every year on a certain date.

It was creepy.

Originally Posted by AdamD

I don't think it's appropriate to claim your opinion as fact.

Just because you don't believe, or haven't witnessed something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Belief and even witnessing is not evidence.

For a ghost to exist, to have an affect on something, to be seen, they need to be physically there. If they are physically there then we would have measured their existence already. Especially as according to 'witnesses' they don't make a big deal of keeping out of the way, they seem to delight in spending their time playing pranks on the living.

They don't exist - You can't prove something doesn't exist with 100% confidence because you can't prove a negative. Just like I cannot prove with 100% proof that we're not in the Matrix, or governed by a society of robot elders, or that the royal family are a legion of shapeshifting lizards.

Ghosts have their origin in storytelling. You might as well believe Vampires exist. Same thing.

[idi banashapan]

personal experience is subjective. sometimes an experience can seem like something it is not. take, for example, something I'm sure most of us have experienced - falling in a dream. it feels like we're falling, but in reality, we are not. that's not to say one didn't believe at the time one was falling, but that does not mean one actually was.

experience and belief are very closely tied in our minds, but to have one does not mean the other is necessarily the truth. the brain works in such a way that it will try to fill in gaps of an experience by using pieces of knowledge acquired through past experiences during one's own life. if one experiences something that the brain either cannot process completely, or even if it's a simple case that the surrounding circumstances are unknown to the individual, the creative brain takes over.

in this case, Barewolf has seen things that his mind cannot piece together in a logical fashion because his experience of an event does not include part or parts of the scenario in whole. his mind has gone back through all knowledge it has acquired to find something it knows about that can 'explain' how his experience happened. for him, ghosts filled the gaps. reading books, seeing films, hearing stories. we have all been subjected to 'strange things going bump in the night' stories. but that does not mean what Barewolf experienced was a ghost. more likely is that some of the story was missing from what he experienced and it was completed by refering to these ideas.

consider this for instance - my car keys. I come home and I put them down on a table in the livingroom. later, I come back and they have gone. my experience is that no one else is in the house. I was in the shower. there's no wind in my livingroom. how did they move? a ghost? perhaps. but what I didn't know is that whilst I was in the shower, my gf comes back home and needs the sat-nav from my car. she picks up my keys and goes to my car to get it. comes back in and puts my keys on the table in the hallway. just because I didn't experience a logical explaination as to how they moved, does not mean that there wasn't one. without knowing she had come back, it would certain be described as spooky and paranormal, but in fact, it is not.

as already stated in this thread, there are lots of stories about ghosts, but no, indisputable, measurable, solid evidence that ghosts exist. it's not even something that can be made to seem probably using equations or statistics. everything we know about ghosts is based on personal experience and beliefs, not necessarily the truth. I don;t deny it may well feel very true to the one experiencing the event, but that truth is subjective and not necessarily actual. very different things.

ghosts may well be real, but until proven without any doubt, I'm more inclined to think there is a logical and far more physical explaination to the events you describe.

[denphone]

Can you prove there are not ghost's.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I believe that the paranormal is something that people should not mess with.

I have been in houses that have been haunted and scares the life out of you, l was ina certain famous building in London, and there were only two of us working there, but we both could clearly hear voices and movement, and when we went to the loo, l clearly heards footsteps and noises behind me

My message to people who use 'weeji boards' what ever they are called is DON'T, that can bering some nasty experiences.

[idi banashapan]

Originally Posted by denphone

Can you prove there are not ghost's.

proving there are not, up to this point, has been far more commonplace than proving there are. don't forget, for Barewolf, he truly believes there is a ghost because of his experience, which is fine. but that does not mean there IS a ghost. different things. subjective belief and actual truth.

[Welshchris]

Originally Posted by Barewolf

im not offended, but i cant refer to my "stepdaughters daughter" in any other way than my "grandaughter" i dont know what else i could call her.

I suppose i could say step grandaughter, but who actually says that?

one thing u could try one night.

Get a few friends and family around for a Guiness, Baked Bean and Vindaloo party see if that will shift them from the house