TiVo General TiVo Discussion Part 2 - Page 277

muppetman11 · 23-05-2011, 00:14

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Originally Posted by Lew

Don't get me wrong here, I'd also like for more of the UI to be updated. Thing is, we don't know what's being done behind the scenes at TiVo HQ to rectify the problem. It's also possible that as extra functionality is added to the VM version of the TiVo software that parts of the UI will be re-coded in Flash while they're at it.

Yeah I think it will arrive at some point.

jtaylor06 · 23-05-2011, 00:28

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Originally Posted by Lew

You say that like it's just case of ticking a checkbox marked "Use Flash". You do realise that each "screen" is a huge amount of code written in C or C++ that would have to be completely re-written, right?

Not to mention user testing to ensure it works.
It won't be an overnight job...well unless they're all doped up on caffeine!

carlwaring · 23-05-2011, 00:45

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Originally Posted by toady

Sorry but the SD screens look crap on TIVO, why haven't they got around to upgrading them to HD, its only a bit of flash

I agree. Not sure how easy Flash is to programme though, so I can't comment on that bit.

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Originally Posted by Lew

You say that like it's just case of ticking a checkbox marked "Use Flash". You do realise that each "screen" is a huge amount of code written in C or C++ that would have to be completely re-written, right?

Well I didn't think it would be that easy. Seems I was right

clinteastman · 23-05-2011, 10:05

I think you might find that the SD screens aren't flash, that's the problem.

carlwaring · 23-05-2011, 10:11

Again, not something I knew.

RobboEdin · 23-05-2011, 11:01

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Originally Posted by Lew

You say that like it's just case of ticking a checkbox marked "Use Flash". You do realise that each "screen" is a huge amount of code written in C or C++ that would have to be completely re-written, right?

What I don't understand, Lew, is that there already seem to be HD versions of some of the functions but they are not always accessed.

Off the top of my head, I can't remember them but I will note them down and add to this thread.

I think 'Upcoming Episodes' is one.

chunkymonkey · 23-05-2011, 12:15

I didn't realise but I have 3 recordings set for 9pm tonight. Does it not tell me that they will clash when I set the 3rd 9pm recording?

Ben B · 23-05-2011, 12:20

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Originally Posted by chunkymonkey

I didn't realise but I have 3 recordings set for 9pm tonight. Does it not tell me that they will clash when I set the 3rd 9pm recording?

No, you'll get a pop up window a couple of minutes before saying it needs to change channel and ask you whether you want it to or whether you want to cancel one of the recordings. Mine did it last night but the only reason they clashed was because of padding.

carlwaring · 23-05-2011, 12:49

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Originally Posted by chunkymonkey

I didn't realise but I have 3 recordings set for 9pm tonight. Does it not tell me that they will clash when I set the 3rd 9pm recording?

Given that it can record three things at once, and assuming there are no padding issues, why would/should it warn you?

toady · 23-05-2011, 15:33

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Originally Posted by Lew

You say that like it's just case of ticking a checkbox marked "Use Flash". You do realise that each "screen" is a huge amount of code written in C or C++ that would have to be completely re-written, right?

OK I didn't know that the low res screens are not in flash, but any decent programmer wouldn't code directly to the display UI but have function calls which the UI calls

It only becomes harder if you want to add more features which don't have functions already available

The current low res screens really let down the visual performance of TIVO when trying to sell it to mates

And coding a UI in flash is very simple even for a half witted programmer

whoareyou · 23-05-2011, 15:51

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Originally Posted by carlwaring

Given that it can record three things at once, and assuming there are no padding issues, why would/should it warn you?

The same reason the V+ did with two tuners, so you know not to attempt to watch a fourth?

Iv been caught out a couple of times.

BenMcr · 23-05-2011, 15:55

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Originally Posted by whoareyou

The same reason the V+ did with two tuners, so you know not to attempt to watch a fourth?

Iv been caught out a couple of times.

V+ had a dedicated live tuner, so didn't warn you if you swapped channels as it wouldn't affect any recordings

Only reason it warned of clashes if you were trying to set 3 recordings at the same time. TiVo will do the same if you try to set 4 at the same time I think.

carlwaring · 23-05-2011, 16:04

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Originally Posted by BenMcr

TiVo will do the same if you try to set 4 at the same time I think.

Or if you attempt to set three recordings but padding causes issues.

Lew · 23-05-2011, 16:08

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Originally Posted by RobboEdin

What I don't understand, Lew, is that there already seem to be HD versions of some of the functions but they are not always accessed.

Off the top of my head, I can't remember them but I will note them down and add to this thread.

I think 'Upcoming Episodes' is one.

It seems that the screens that have both HD and SD versions available (such as the recording options and series link screens) depend on where you're accessing them from. If you access them from a screen with the discovery bar then you get the HD version (which is why the trick of selecting "Explore this show" from the recording dialog works to get the HD series link screen). Accesing them directly from the guide gets you the SD version. The guide does seem to be separate from the main HD UI as can be seen by the fact that the screens with the discovery bar correctly pillarbox 4:3 content in the mini video window, but in the guide they're stretched to fit the mini window.

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Originally Posted by toady

OK I didn't know that the low res screens are not in flash, but any decent programmer wouldn't code directly to the display UI but have function calls which the UI calls

Thing is, we don't know how much legacy code there is in the SD sections of the code. With the TiVo product being over 10 years old who knows how much cruft there is?

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It only becomes harder if you want to add more features which don't have functions already available

The current low res screens really let down the visual performance of TIVO when trying to sell it to mates

I agree. It wouldn't be quite so bad if it didn't mean losing the picture and sound of the programme you're watching. Still, I'm willing to wait and see what they can do now that they've actually got TiVo working to an extent on VM's system.

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And coding a UI in flash is very simple even for a half witted programmer

I'm sure it is, but there's more to TiVo than just the UI. It needs to hook into the underlying code correctly as well.

whoareyou · 23-05-2011, 16:08

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Originally Posted by BenMcr

V+ had a dedicated live tuner, so didn't warn you if you swapped channels as it wouldn't affect any recordings

Only reason it warned of clashes if you were trying to set 3 recordings at the same time. TiVo will do the same if you try to set 4 at the same time I think.

But what if you unwillingly set 3 records then go to watch live tv at the same time?