Internet Explorer 9 Released

[Zee]

My Internet Explorer now says v9.0.8112.16421IC

What does IC mean? Anyone know, cant find too much info

Ok, i just found out, means
IC = Internet content provider... but how?

[craigj2k12]

try going to your desktop settings, click on advanced and change the DPI setting back to 96 on your computer. IE will automatically zoom everything in based on that setting

[Chrysalis]

simple adblock is compatible with IE9 now, however it is no longer a free app. Shame it went to a paid product. So IE still suffers from a lack of a free good adblocker. Although if got older version of simple adblock that will work for free.

[craigj2k12]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

simple adblock is compatible with IE9 now, however it is no longer a free app. Shame it went to a paid product. So IE still suffers from a lack of a free good adblocker. Although if got older version of simple adblock that will work for free.

what?

[Chrysalis]

simple adblock is the adblocker I use with IE, it uses the same lists as adblock plus for firefox. It was free but incompatible with IE9. One of the reasons I ditched IE9. Now it works with IE9 but they limit the free version so its become a commercial app.

[toonlight]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

simple adblock is the adblocker I use with IE, it uses the same lists as adblock plus for firefox. It was free but incompatible with IE9. One of the reasons I ditched IE9. Now it works with IE9 but they limit the free version so its become a commercial app.

Here here, a round of applause for the fellow gentleman
That's what happens when Microsoft tries make people think they future proofed before hand, why else would you want to use Adblock/adblock plus/adblock add-on in the first place, maybe there's no even matched Micro-rubbish programme that does that? maybe - open source community will always have the upper hand in this area. Good for open source community, more people like Cr**py IE9, more they pay to us well provided FF users/app producers for the ease of a well produced download

Poor effort I say microsoft, you could have had it in there/yours mind, but out there in the real world, you never do these days....poor effort I say! Best to avoid IE9 with a big long stick for ones present/future well being; just use another browser beside IE9, like FF, Opera,Chrome & etc it much less problem-matic longterm..just think apps, additions, & all the other bit you got with other broswer software.... now nails down my shutters for incoming storm ahead

Like my reply/comment... reply in kind good or bad

toonlight

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by toonlight

Here here, a round of applause for the fellow gentleman
That's what happens when Microsoft tries make people think they future proofed before hand, why else would you want to use Adblock/adblock plus/adblock add-on in the first place, maybe there's no even matched Micro-rubbish programme that does that? maybe - open source community will always have the upper hand in this area. Good for open source community, more people like Cr**py IE9, more they pay to us well provided FF users/app producers for the ease of a well produced download

Poor effort I say microsoft, you could have had it in there/yours mind, but out there in the real world, you never do these days....poor effort I say! Best to avoid IE9 with a big long stick for ones present/future well being; just use another browser beside IE9, like FF, Opera,Chrome & etc it much less problem-matic longterm..just think apps, additions, & all the other bit you got with other broswer software.... now nails down my shutters for incoming storm ahead

Like my reply/comment... reply in kind good or bad

toonlight

I'm confused as to what you are trying to say... You appear to be criticising Microsoft for not providing an ad blocker in IE. Something which, let's face, it, it's not in Microsoft's interest to do. The post to which you replied said about the adblock plug in for IE costing money for IE9, so you reply by saying using another browser (which is a fair choice, I rarely use IE if I can avoid it), but that people pay for Open source software? If Chrysalis was willing to pay for software for another browser, do you not think he would just buy the plug in for IE? After all, it would be a lot less hassle than switching browsers.

[toonlight]

Originally Posted by Stuart

The post to which you replied said about the adblock plug in for IE costing money for IE9

Originally Posted by Stuart

but that people pay for Open source software? If Chrysalis was willing to pay for software for another browser, do you not think he would just buy the plug in for IE?

Well isn't Adblocker based off open sourced software in the first place (source code), produced for FF/others first off, now a downloadable App for IE, you have to pay - sounds fair. <quoting previous posting>

Originally Posted by Stuart

Something which, let's face, it, it's not in Microsoft's interest to do.

Wouldn't that make the utter drivel IE9 much more appealing to users for other browsers uses? wouldn't you agree stuart?; MS won't see this, as they dig a deeper hole to climb out of from everywhere they release a new piece of software besides still continue to push most of their lame software even now..
Lets be frank here; Ms started out good in the days of 3.1, then win 95/98 then till windows xp 7 now windows 7 in-between them times, no thing new or earth moving, just like a stale mouldy loaf of bread rotting away waiting till for the next unwrapped loaf to placed next to it.
Where as open software, has moved on leaps & bounds, first free downloadable office software, matching MS own over rip-off priced office package, then O/S software to browser Apps...closed software is never going to work now days with free open software available ready to download & work straight from the first click.

I hope this helps your inquiry Sir Stuart, also nice talking to you again.... as always

You have a view, let us all hear it good or bad

God bless>toonlight

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by toonlight

Well isn't Adblocker based off open sourced software in the first place (source code), produced for FF/others first off, now a downloadable App for IE, you have to pay - sounds fair. <quoting previous posting>

I have never used adblocker, so I am not familiar with it's history. However, if I read what you posted correctly, it sounded like you were talking about paying for browsers.

Wouldn't that make the utter drivel IE9 much more appealing to users for other browsers uses? wouldn't you agree stuart?; MS won't see this, as they dig a deeper hole to climb out of from everywhere they release a new piece of software besides still continue to push most of their lame software even now..

Why should MS provide an ad blocker? None of the other major browser manufacturers do. Yes, Chrome, Firefox and Opera do via add ons, but so can IE.

Lets be frank here; Ms started out good in the days of 3.1, then win 95/98 then till windows xp 7 now windows 7 in-between them times, no thing new or earth moving, just like a stale mouldy loaf of bread rotting away waiting till for the next unwrapped loaf to placed next to it.

Nothing new? How about several revised interfaces (that have been copied by the open source community)? How about the work the Windows Media team have contributed toward codecs (not only Microsoft ones)? On the contrary, Windows today bears less resemblance to Windows then than most current Linuxes do to the mid nineties versions.

Where as open software, has moved on leaps & bounds, first free downloadable office software, matching MS own over rip-off priced office package, then O/S software to browser Apps...closed software is never going to work now days with free open software available ready to download & work straight from the first click.

I wouldn't bet everything on cloud based apps taking over just yet. Look at what happened to Amazon. Look at what happened to the PlayStation Network. Look how unreliable most ISPs can be. Also, while your at it, ask any users of Google Wave why cloud apps may not be a good long term strategy (at least if Microsoft stop selling/supporting office, you can still install any old copies you have and access your docs).

Then remember than Microsoft have proved in the past that if they misjudge the importance of a market, they can move into it surprisingly quickly even if they have to do a 180 with their business strategy to do so (look up the early years of Internet Explorer for an example of this).

I am no fan of MS (I like OSX, but will happily use any OS or software if it does the job I need), but I think they'll be around for a few years yet.

[Chrysalis]

for what its worth I paid for simple adblock so could use it with IE9 if I wanted to, the price at least allows 3 machines to use it so the seller respects multi pc households but is a bit of a dissapointment he sold it as the equivelent product for firefox is donation only.

The sad thing is I did make a donation for simple adblock before it got commercialised so have paid twice for it.

[toonlight]

Originally Posted by Stuart

I have never used adblocker, so I am not familiar with it's history. However, if I read what you posted correctly, it sounded like you were talking about paying for browsers.

Well paying for cross platform Apps, is good if your using a totally different browser than it was originally designed for & supports the more like/sharing minded concept to build a open free source community, other than MS closed minded pockets. It lets the little person out there have a slice of the action that paid Apps brings- progress.
I wasn't going on about paid browsers, just the apps part, sorry for any misunderstanding Sir Stuart.

Originally Posted by Stuart

Why should MS provide an ad blocker? None of the other major browser manufacturers do. Yes, Chrome, Firefox and Opera do via add ons, but so can IE.

There one reason why MS slipped so quickly down the list.. byte by byte - just offering a fixed core browser is not going push it in these day of ages, you have to offer choices & add-ons to suit each persons requirements.
Saying here is the browser, take or leave it - not going to work any more.

Nothing new? How about several revised interfaces (that have been copied by the open source community)

Well all browser, producers/desginers do it - even FF copied tabbed browsing from Oprea so not new but releasing the core programme source code will/has produced more. I remember when Netscape use to be king of the browser wars, not IE - even back then MS wasn't cutting the mustard

Look at what happened to the PlayStation Network.

Sony created there own problem there, with limited the o/s choices, then the hacker/work around usb boot hack Then ain't Sony laying off employees in drive to cut costs? (read some where)

I wouldn't bet everything on cloud based apps taking over just yet. Look at what happened to Amazon.
Also, while your at it, ask any users of Google Wave why cloud apps may not be a good long term strategy

Like anything new it's 50/50 something work some don't, you have to take risks to get a head of other market leaders.

Then remember than Microsoft have proved in the past that if they misjudge the importance of a market, they can move into it surprisingly quickly even if they have to do a 180 with their business strategy

Well MS know a lot about that with there O/S software windows 2000/Vista - not full tested from the start, knowing it has bugs but not working then before hand shameful.

but I think they'll be around for a few years yet

Mostly like will, as long as the shareholds get there money investment interest in return, the future is limitless as per normal with big multi nationals.

Been nice talking to you again, Sir stuart - have a good one, have a cool boozy beverage on me good buddy.

Toonlight

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by toonlight

There one reason why MS slipped so quickly down the list.. byte by byte - just offering a fixed core browser is not going push it in these day of ages, you have to offer choices & add-ons to suit each persons requirements.

Saying here is the browser, take or leave it - not going to work any more.

Why not? Seriously? Okay, people have come to expect more, I suppose; largely thanks to apps for smartphones. But as long as my web browser allows me to... well... browse the web, what do I need apps for? (Other than the usual stuff like Adobe Flash, etc.)

Also not interested in "Cloud" computing at all. All my data is stored locally, with a copy on a 2.5" portable if I need it anywhere else. And I'll run any apps I need off my PC/laptop as appropriate.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by toonlight

Well paying for cross platform Apps, is good if your using a totally different browser than it was originally designed for & supports the more like/sharing minded concept to build a open free source community, other than MS closed minded pockets. It lets the little person out there have a slice of the action that paid Apps brings- progress.
I wasn't going on about paid browsers, just the apps part, sorry for any misunderstanding Sir Stuart.

Fair enough, although I've seen nothing to suggest paid apps through browsers will be a success..

There one reason why MS slipped so quickly down the list.. byte by byte - just offering a fixed core browser is not going push it in these day of ages, you have to offer choices & add-ons to suit each persons requirements.
Saying here is the browser, take or leave it - not going to work any more.

IE does support add ons..

Well all browser, producers/desginers do it - even FF copied tabbed browsing from Oprea so not new but releasing the core programme source code will/has produced more. I remember when Netscape use to be king of the browser wars, not IE - even back then MS wasn't cutting the mustard

Yet MS came from behind and eventually destroyed Netscape.. Sort of illustrates my point about them doing a 180 with their business strategy.

They also introduced a few technologies to the web, namely ASP and Active X. Neither of which were expected to succeed. They did, even though both had massive problems.

Sony created there own problem there, with limited the o/s choices, then the hacker/work around usb boot hack Then ain't Sony laying off employees in drive to cut costs? (read some where)
Like anything new it's 50/50 something work some don't, you have to take risks to get a head of other market leaders.

Actually I wasn't talking specifically about the PS3. I was talking about the network outage. I used it as an example because the average user would expect that Sony have the technical know how and finances required to keep all their networks relatively secure. Certainly I would expect my Cloud App provider to have that expertise available.

Well MS know a lot about that with there O/S software windows 2000/Vista - not full tested from the start, knowing it has bugs but not working then before hand shameful.
Mostly like will, as long as the shareholds get there money investment interest in return, the future is limitless as per normal with big multi nationals.

An OS is too big a product to ever be entirely bug free. That is true whether the OS in question is Windows, OSX, Linux, Android or iOS. For instance. As long as the vendor has a mechnism in place where they deal with bugs quickly, and update regularly, that should be little problem.

[toonlight]

Originally Posted by carlwaring

Why not? Seriously? Okay, people have come to expect more, I suppose; largely thanks to apps for smartphones. But as long as my web browser allows me to... well... browse the web, what do I need apps for? (Other than the usual stuff like Adobe Flash, etc.)

Also not interested in "Cloud" computing at all. All my data is stored locally, with a copy on a 2.5" portable if I need it anywhere else. And I'll run any apps I need off my PC/laptop as appropriate.

I will say first; is my fellow carlwaring, each to there own -so really all I can say horses for causes

For me I do like a broswer that has a core basis, that you can addon items to suit your requirements, as like an update without the need for a long download. Thats why to me app, can be a bonus.

toonlight

[Chrysalis]

seems I am not the only one who thinks IE9 is a GUI disaster zone.

Here is a list of features removed, to me personally at least a few of these are very important which I mentioned in earlier posts. Microsoft copying chrome?

While Internet Explorer 9 represents significant improvements to the Trident rendering engine and the Javascript engine, certain user interface elements and some functionality that are present in Internet Explorer 8 are no longer present in Internet Explorer 9. The following is a list of such features that have been removed in IE9:

• Internet Explorer 9 setup cannot be sequenced using Microsoft App-V.
• Tabs from the previous session (after IE is closed and opened again) can no longer be opened selectively. Only tabs from current session which were recently closed can be selectively opened or the entire last session has to be opened.
• The dedicated search box has been removed. Searches can be performed from the address bar as was already possible in all previous IE releases. Because of the removal of the search box, users have to repeatedly type the same search terms if they want to search using a different search provider. Textual descriptions for search providers are no longer shown except in a tooltip when hovered over.
• Tab list menu button has been removed. (Accessible using Ctrl+Shift+Q)
• The page title is no longer shown in the browser's title bar.
• Each download does not get its own button on the taskbar showing the progress of individual downloads. All downloads are grouped without user preference in a single download manager button.
• The progress bar when loading pages and 'Done' message after page loading is complete have been removed from the status bar.
• All functionality from the status bar except zoom button and showing hyperlink upon mouse hover has been removed. The status bar in Internet Explorer 8 showed security zone info, Protected Mode status, SmartScreen information, certificates info, addon manager, pop-up blocker, privacy policy/report and InPrivate Filtering status.
• The ability to freely move browser elements in unlocked state has been removed. The menu bar, favorites bar and command bar could be moved in Internet Explorer 8.
• Large icons cannot be used on the command bar.
• Completed MB and the progress bar have been removed when downloading.
• The Notification Bar replaces the Information Bar which appeared above the page content. The Notification Bar overlaps a certain part of the page and requires the user to close it to see underlying parts of the page.
• Internet Explorer can no longer be set to notify download completion with only a sound. Every download completion shows a visual notification on top of the page which has to be closed.
• When clearing browsing history from within the browser, there is no progress bar or any sort of indication. Instead, a visual notification is shown on the notification bar which has to be closed by the user to see underlying page content.
• Save As is no longer the default option when downloading files. Instead Save is the now the default option which always saves to the Downloads folder.
• The about:tabs page cannot have the status bar enabled. Recently closed tabs from the current or previous session no longer show the URL below.
• The following configurable options have been removed without explanation:
- Reset text size to medium while zooming.
- Force offscreen compositing even under Terminal Server.
- Enable page transitions.
- Always use ClearType for HTML.
- Smart image dithering.
- Print background colors and images.
- Do not submit unknown addresses to your auto search provider and Just display the results in the main window.
- Security Zone settings: Automating prompting for file downloads.
- Security Zone settings: Open files based on content, not file extension.

List obtained from tuxplorer - link http://xpwasmyidea.blogspot.com/2011...-internet.html

The good news is someone is working on fixing the most severe issues with an app called classic shell, http://xpwasmyidea.blogspot.com/2011...-released.html I upgraded to IE9 on my test pc and installed classic shell, it is an improvement but have requested the privacy report icon gets added back.

Now here is the dillema, there is no denying IE9 is fast, its very fast. However fast page loading times is an improvement lost if the GUI is less efficient to use, because at the end of the day IE8 is 'fast enough' in terms of web page loading times. Apparently firefox dev's have gone down the same path they made a shocking decision also to remove their status bar which has led to various security and useability concerns.

I read a few blogs which give some pointers as to where microsoft are heading with IE9, its probably built with more in mind for people using portable devices such as laptops and notebooks, hence been very light, and also with cloud in mind. So IE8 could be their last desktop focused browser, for mozilla probably going down the same path and chrome was already going down that path.