Who's right of way on the pavement ?

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by danielf

Then there's cars that don't attract road tax due to low emissions. Surely, no emission vehicles should be included in that category...

There is the odd emission when I'm cycling.... especially if I've been on the Guinnes the night before.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

What people don't realise, you can be fined £30.00 for cycling on a pavement, to me it should be double.

The reason why, they are a bloody menace, you see them cycling and using a phone, doing 'wheeley' abusing the public by making them move out the way, and all the time on the pavement.

[bonzoe]

I cycle, I walk and I drive, I agree that there are many nuisance cyclists and something needs to be done, BUT don't get holier than thou! Pedestrians do things they shouldn't, do we fine them? Motorists can be a nuisance, there are punishments for this, but does it stop the behaviour?

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Let me make a point here, IF a cyclist knock someone down, that person has a job and a family, that person who has been knocked down, cannot work, who looks after the family, fining cyclist is the only answer.

There has to be a solution to stop this problem - any answer's.

[bonzoe]

I have seen someone walking listening to music player cross cycle path, they looked straight at me and didn't stop............so being the cyclist on cycle path it would be my fault?

[multiskilled]

When I'm driving I hate bad cyclists and pedestrians.

When I'm cycling I hate bad drivers and pedestrians.

When I'm walking I hate bad drivers and cyclists.

I also read the daily mail.

[bonzoe]

Originally Posted by multiskilled

When I'm driving I hate bad cyclists and pedestrians.

When I'm cycling I hate bad drivers and pedestrians.

When I'm walking I hate bad drivers and cyclists.

I also read the daily mail.

Well said!

[Pedro1]

Originally Posted by Chris

You. He should be on the road - Highway Code rule 64.

So true...

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[Jon T]

I was knocked over by a cyclist when I was walking across a pelican crossing showing the green man. The cyclist paused for a second the resumed his journey, after about another 100 metres up the road, he dismounted, looked at me, shouted some abuse and then went along on his journey again.

I just can't get over the belief by some (not all) cyclists that the are never in the wrong.

I've also seen it while i've been on the bus at one busy crossroad of another, cyclist goes straight on over red light, only to be caught in the middle of 40MPH+ traffic. What get's my goat about this situation is that one accident and the speed limit will no doubt be reduced like it's the car's fault for going to fast.

No one has a god given right to the road or pavements, abiding by rules and laws, together with having good manners make coexistence possible. One group making excuses for their behavior, or thinking they are superior to another group is what starts to stir up trouble and hatred towards another group.

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by LondonRoad

Asking cyclists to pay road tax is lunacy. Many cyclists already pay road tax for their car that is sitting at home all day because they have decided to use pedal power.

When I ride one of my taxed motorbikes my car parked at home also has paid tax on it,so I don't see that as a valid argument.

I nearly got hit by a cyclist last week on Newport Rd in Cardiff, the little green man lit up, all 3 lanes of traffic stopped and I started to cross from the central reservation. As I walked across in front of the last vehicle a cyclist shot up the inside of the vehicle closest to the kerb, I stopped and made sure he had to.

I was also walking down the Blaenavon to Pontypool section of my local cycling track about a month ago, it's a steady downward gradient and cyclists tend to get up some speed. Every now and then I look over my shoulder to see if any cyclists are coming. I was walking at the edge of the track an could hear a cyclist ringing his/her bell, I took no notice because I assumed the cyclist just wanted to make me aware he/her was approaching.

I was wrong, it ended up with a few verbals because it was actually 2 cyclists who expected me to get off the track so I didn't inconvenience their side by side cycling. It didn't happen of course because I wouldn't move, the cycle path rules state that cyclists should give way to pedestrians and expect to dismount their bikes if necessary.

I also hope to see an end to all the red cycle boxes at junctions that seemed to be introduced during the Labour governments reign. I have never understood why councils would encourage congestion by reserving a place at the front of the queue for the slowest.

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by Escapee

When I ride one of my taxed motorbikes my car parked at home also has paid tax on it,so I don't see that as a valid argument.
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I'd guess that you haven't taken into account the significant difference in speeds and mass of a motorised vehicle to a pedal powered one.

Are you allowed to take your form of transport onto all roads? I'm limited by law and not allowed to use the busiest and most expensive to build/maintan road. Unless we have a fairer system of road tax then my argument is valid.

If you're suggesting motorcyclist shouln't pay road tax then I could have sympathy for that argument.

If you're suggesting another argument of reduced road tax for single use drivers with multiple vehicles then I could see your point but we'd be going off topic there.

[Welshchris]

Take an Umbrella out with u and if he passes again "Accidently" stick in the spokes of his front wheel lol.

[Halcyon]

Originally Posted by Jon T

I've also seen it while i've been on the bus at one busy crossroad of another, cyclist goes straight on over red light, only to be caught in the middle of 40MPH+ traffic. What get's my goat about this situation is that one accident and the speed limit will no doubt be reduced like it's the car's fault for going to fast.

Same here, I've seen this too.

I get to the traffic lights and come to a stop. Mr cyclist behind me decides the lights don't apply to him and sails on through.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Jon T

I've also seen it while i've been on the bus at one busy crossroad of another, cyclist goes straight on over red light, only to be caught in the middle of 40MPH+ traffic. What get's my goat about this situation is that one accident and the speed limit will no doubt be reduced like it's the car's fault for going to fast.

Also because the idiot is not tax tested and insured it would be the poor drivers insurance that would get stung because of the cyclists dangerous act and ignoring the law.

The cyclist if not dead would probably not even be prosecuted as the blame would be heaped upon the driver.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Masque

Also because the idiot is not tax tested and insured it would be the poor drivers insurance that would get stung because of the cyclists dangerous act and ignoring the law.

I'm insured...