Ban the burkha ?

[photodude]

I'm very much anti-racism etc, but I do also feel the laws and beliefs of the country you are in, should be respected. Where my grandmother lived (near Dewsbury, West Yorkshire), was slap bang in the middle of the Muslim community (I'm going back 20+years now). Killing of a goat over the street drain was not uncommon, and neither was traditional Muslim dress etc. But there were not many women wearing the burqa back then, and there always seemed to be that mutual respect for others cultures etc etc. The same area now has a ban on the killing/draining of blood in to the street drains, most of the women are wearing burqas, and there really is a VERY clear divide between Muslim and none-Muslim people. The older generation didn't always understand the killing of the animals, and draining of the blood etc etc. But they respected it as part of the Muslim culture. If it happened out in the street today, people would go absolutely nuts. But we "British" people have been killing livestock in open view for thousands of years, so I see no need to object to such things.
We also need to remember that the burqa is not something a woman chooses to wear as such. It was forced upon the women by the man in their life, or their father/family. The Hijab is the traditional head dress of the Islamic faiths, and is worn voluntarily as a show of respect and faith. The burqa comes from an extreme group of believers, thought to have originated in Afghanistan areas.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by photodude

The burqa comes from an extreme group of believers, thought to have originated in Afghanistan areas.

Persian women were wearing burqa's long before there even was an Islam...

Originally Posted by photodude

But we "British" people have been killing livestock in open view for thousands of years, so I see no need to object to such things.
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Are you serious ?I realy don't know where you get that idea from ,and yes "us British" would go nuts if we saw someone killing a goat in the street and letting the blood drain down the street ,and rightly so ,that may be acceptible and even nescesary in the African plains or even the highlands of Scotland but most definately not in a street in yorkshire

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Persian women were wearing burqa's long before there even was an Islam...

correct ..and so were men,to keep sand out of the mouth and eyes ,an example of something whose use has evolved from a practical purpose into something with religious symbolism .

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Bit of a no brainer really, anyone attending a protest should be forced to remove any face covering or be arrested, especially that man holding hands with V, that is the best horror mask I have ever seen.

I find it interesting that the French ban doesn't extend to those Grace Kelly type headscarfs and sun glasses, so this is acceptable but a nice burqa- niqab combo isn't.

Sunglasses have a practical use in France. Beyond protecting the wearer from the Sun or rain, Niqabs have no such practical use in France. They have a religious significance.

[photodude]

Originally Posted by martyh

Are you serious ?I realy don't know where you get that idea from ,and yes "us British" would go nuts if we saw someone killing a goat in the street and letting the blood drain down the street ,and rightly so ,that may be acceptible and even nescesary in the African plains or even the highlands of Scotland but most definately not in a street in yorkshire[COLOR="Silver"]

I'm sorry, but where I come from, meat comes from an animal, not a supermarket. I have respect for the animal I'm eating, and have no issues with seeing an animal being killed for food, either by traditional methods, or religious ones. It's not that long since dead birds and game would be hanging outside a butchers shop, and would be plucked and gutted on a block in full public view.
Do you believe a goat killed in private suffers any more or less?
I'd rather my kids grow up with a realistic view on the world, than one sugar coated by modern day squeamish views on meat and where it comes from.

Originally Posted by photodude

I'm sorry, but where I come from, meat comes from an animal, not a supermarket. I have respect for the animal I'm eating, and have no issues with seeing an animal being killed for food, either by traditional methods, or religious ones. It's not that long since dead birds and game would be hanging outside a butchers shop, and would be plucked and gutted on a block in full public view.
Do you believe a goat killed in private suffers any more or less?
I'd rather my kids grow up with a realistic view on the world, than one sugar coated by modern day squeamish views on meat and where it comes from.

I have no issues either with killing or seeing an animal killed ,yes i grew up with traditional butchers ,abattoirs and even killed small game myself ,my grandmother used to neck a chicken for dinner on a regular basis ,just not in the street ,there is a time and a place .
There are some elements of foreign culture that we used to have but have grown out of thankfully and trying to drag us back into the dark ages for the sake of multiculturalism is just plain idiotic

[Gary L]

I don't know. slaughtering pigs on the streets isn't a good idea really.

[photodude]

Multiculturalism has nawt to do with it, and people killing an animal for meat in public view, isn't anywhere near the dark ages. It's just that today people don't "like" to see where their food comes from. They want it in a plastic wrapper, "fresh" from the supermarket. LOL I'd rather go to someone's house and see them kill and drain the animal themselves in the street, than eat some packaged off cuts dressed up as meat, after being pumped full of crap and water.
But we are drifting off topic a bit here. As said, I agree with the ban of the burqa, as it is a form of dress forced upon Islamic women, and has its routes within an extremist take of the Islamic faith.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by photodude

As said, I agree with the ban of the burqa, as it is a form of dress forced upon Islamic women, and has its routes within an extremist take of the Islamic faith.

And that with the views of some that Sharia law should be introduced into a country, is probably one of the main reasons for the ban.

we have to remember that some people believe that some Muslims intentions are to take over. and this could be in answer to that.

a way of saying not on your nelly.

Originally Posted by photodude

Multiculturalism has nawt to do with it, and people killing an animal for meat in public view, isn't anywhere near the dark ages. It's just that today people don't "like" to see where their food comes from. They want it in a plastic wrapper, "fresh" from the supermarket. LOL I'd rather go to someone's house and see them kill and drain the animal themselves in the street, than eat some packaged off cuts dressed up as meat, after being pumped full of crap and water.
But we are drifting off topic a bit here. As said, I agree with the ban of the burqa, as it is a form of dress forced upon Islamic women, and has its routes within an extremist take of the Islamic faith.

so why exactly do you think that people should be able to kill their supper in the street because it is in their culture but not to wear a burkha as part of their culture .Don't forget that some muslim women choose to wear it because they are deeply religious not all women are forced to wear it .As long as it is not worn in banks ,post offices ect i have no problem

[photodude]

Originally Posted by martyh

so why exactly do you think that people should be able to kill their supper in the street because it is in their culture but not to wear a burkha as part of their culture .Don't forget that some muslim women choose to wear it because they are deeply religious not all women are forced to wear it .As long as it is not worn in banks ,post offices ect i have no problem

Killing an animal is for food, no matter where it is killed, or by what method. That is not culture, it is a simple fact of life that we eat meat that we have to kill.
As explained, the burqa stems from extremism. And although a minority may wear it voluntarily, the majority have it forced upon them.

I see we are veering off topic so lets get back to it please.

[Tezcatlipoca]

"French beekeepers to protest against ‘no veils in workplace’ law"

Beekeepers across France are organising an official protest against a new law which prevents people from wearing face-covering veils in public and at work.

Since the law came into force many beekeepers have been left without the protection upon which they rely, leading to many horrific sting-related injuries.

As one beekeeper told us through an interpreter, “The veil is an essential part of who I am.”

“Just because you don’t feel comfortable around someone with a significant amount of material covering their face is no reason to ban it.”

“Beekeepers have worn veils for generations. It’s part of our culture, and we won’t stand for this ban.”

(snip)

[Gary L]

Someone needs to show them the rulebook. it clearly states 'Muslim' not bee keepers

[Russ]

Someone needs to read that site although I'm sure he "knew all along".